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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by d0100 »

curiousgal wrote: post #259
cltsang wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next time when you buy a burner phone, please try to be more conscious. Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour [0]. Even if it's not directly related, by buying a Huawei phone, you are voting with your money to support a company that's been hurting innovation with IP theft through the years [1]. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/05/25/huawei-ac... [1] htt…

> Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour The article you cite just says that they supplied networking equipment, how is that different than, for example, U.S. conecetration camps using Dell laptops? Would you also blame Dell? I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

> I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

And a very welcome one at that

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Post by aejnsn »

curiousgal wrote: post #259
cltsang wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next time when you buy a burner phone, please try to be more conscious. Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour [0]. Even if it's not directly related, by buying a Huawei phone, you are voting with your money to support a company that's been hurting innovation with IP theft through the years [1]. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/05/25/huawei-ac... [1] htt…

> Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour The article you cite just says that they supplied networking equipment, how is that different than, for example, U.S. conecetration camps using Dell laptops? Would you also blame Dell? I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

That's a rather unfair comparison, and softens the harsh reality of Huawei's actions. Dell didn't sell the laptops with the intent of them being used for that purpose. China says jump and Huawei jumps to build whatever state-sponsored surveillance tooling they need. That's not how it works with Dell, Cisco, Juniper, etc. Remember the stories about network devices being intercepted via parcel services?

I'd bet I can make you never buy another IBM product. :)

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by cltsang »

curiousgal wrote: post #259
cltsang wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next time when you buy a burner phone, please try to be more conscious. Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour [0]. Even if it's not directly related, by buying a Huawei phone, you are voting with your money to support a company that's been hurting innovation with IP theft through the years [1]. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/05/25/huawei-ac... [1] htt…

> Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour The article you cite just says that they supplied networking equipment, how is that different than, for example, U.S. conecetration camps using Dell laptops? Would you also blame Dell? I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

You may have missed this paragraph from the article:

> Huawei said they would "provide industry-leading products and services... to build a safer and smarter society with the public security department of the autonomous region." Three months later, the company launched the Huawei Urumqi DevCloud to "promote the development of the software information industry in the district and all of Urumqi."

If that's not enough, please read this another article also from forbes [0].

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/04/25/huawei-xi...

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Post by Bakary »

Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #240
iiuuhhggff wrote: post #122

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I think people who say this forget about the “war on terror” and all the innocent civilians killed in drone stikes.

That is an entirely different thing. You're talking foreign policy, I'm talking domestic policy.

I think the point they were making is that if you decline to visit a region for moral reasons, then many other regions such as the US should also meet the abstract binary threshold even if they clearly aren't as bad.

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Post by codedokode »

schoen wrote: post #124
braythwayt wrote: post #98

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Others can chime in, but I believe that most serious companies doing business with China have a burner-device policy for employees travelling to China. Your devices will all be hacked with industrial espionage malware, and just in case you don't have anything on those devices, you will be given devices as "gifts"—like flash drives and WiFi-equipped smart home devices--that will exploit any devices you didn't bring wi…

I'm always confused when I hear this about why malware researchers don't obtain a huge trove of malware samples (and/or zero-day exploits) by obtaining some of these "gifts" and then connecting them to honeypot devices. If all you have to do to receive one is travel to China as an employee of a major U.S. company, they must be quite easy to get ahold of.

Someone must have a lot of free time to do this instead of work.

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Post by Kalium »

aejnsn wrote: post #262
curiousgal wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour The article you cite just says that they supplied networking equipment, how is that different than, for example, U.S. conecetration camps using Dell laptops? Would you also blame Dell? I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

That's a rather unfair comparison, and softens the harsh reality of Huawei's actions. Dell didn't sell the laptops with the intent of them being used for that purpose. China says jump and Huawei jumps to build whatever state-sponsored surveillance tooling they need. That's not how it works with Dell, Cisco, Juniper, etc. Remember the stories about network devices being intercepted via parcel services? I'd bet I can m…

I'll offer you good odds that Dell, Cisco, Juniper et al happily sell equipment to companies and agencies they know are likely to be used to break security systems and harass undocumented migrants.

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Post by pjc50 »

BurningFrog wrote: post #181
npongratz wrote: post #117

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> It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes... I've been lucky not to experience this myself, but I imagine it is bad to experience the "different outcomes" firsthand when the governance system -- novel as it might appear from a distance -- has foundations in violent suppression of individual freedom.

Of course. Then again, when some lunatic American colonists tried an alternative system of governance everyone knew was absurd and evil, it worked out surprisingly well. I guess what I most of all am arguing against is unified world government.

> alternative system of governance everyone knew was absurd and evil

Kind of ridiculous hyperbole here; there may have been the usual establishment bootlickers saying that, but the US was hardly the first Republic in the world.

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Post by tomatocracy »

BurningFrog wrote: post #181
npongratz wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes... I've been lucky not to experience this myself, but I imagine it is bad to experience the "different outcomes" firsthand when the governance system -- novel as it might appear from a distance -- has foundations in violent suppression of individual freedom.

Of course. Then again, when some lunatic American colonists tried an alternative system of governance everyone knew was absurd and evil, it worked out surprisingly well. I guess what I most of all am arguing against is unified world government.

Ironically, one of the most controversial parts of the Annapolis Convention (which came up with the current US constitution after it was decided that the articles of confederation used since before independence didn't work) was the question of whether an effectively national government/republic over an area as large as the then 13 states was actually possible to operate as a democracy.
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