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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by SubiculumCode »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #118
mLuby wrote: post #96

>"China is using technology for the perfection of dictatorship." -Pete Buttigieg, 2020 US presidential candidate PRC may be blazing the trail, but as the tech becomes proved and available, I won't be surprised to see creeping adoption in more "free" countries (especially following crises).

Exactly. People are already used to much more surveillance than they used and this trend just keeps going. Sometimes it's China taking the lead, sometimes the US, sometimes other countries. But they all look at each other and slowly adopt what the other country is doing. I am pretty sure the next generation will never see anything other than complete surveillance by countries or corporations. And for them it will see…

If your whole argument is based on fatalism, you might as well say so....because right now you assume the conclusion.

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Post by borvel »

[deleted] wrote: post #155
theslurmmustflo wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what's wrong with whataboutism?

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Maybe the point is that governments everywhere are the enemies of their people. They lock people in cages and murder with impugnity. They commit atrocities to keep us terrified. They terrorize. Either we remove them from power or we will be subjugated forever.

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Post by dv_dt »

dmix wrote: post #179
panarky wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US ... This style of argument is deflection, and it gets us nowhere. It's very effective in redirecting the focus away from one bad actor and onto another bad actor, though.

"But western countries do x [whataboutism]" is the standard Chinese propaganda response to everything too. A big part of the 50-cent party's job [1] is to promote negative western news stories. [1] https://www.wikiwand.com/en/50_Cent_Party

At some point when both nations disrespect peoples privacy rights at their borders, it becomes a repression version of the Overton window.

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Post by aVx1uyD5pYWW »

olliej wrote: post #173

So it’s android only?

From the article:

>Apple devices were not spared scrutiny. Visitors’ iPhones were unlocked and connected via a USB cable to a hand-held device, the journalist said. What the device did could not be determined.

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Post by cat199 »

bongobongo wrote: post #194
redwards510 wrote: post #192

If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

You may not know this, but the Constitution guarantees the same rights to foreigners on US soil as it does to US citizens. (This is a pretty basic part of civic education, but civic education in the US these days is terrible.) So, no, I would not be OK with the government violating the Constitution.

> on US soil

But not before they have technically entered..

(and no, this doesn't mean i'm anti immigration)

edit: or pro searching, etc

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Post by inlined »

bongobongo wrote: post #194
redwards510 wrote: post #192

If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

You may not know this, but the Constitution guarantees the same rights to foreigners on US soil as it does to US citizens. (This is a pretty basic part of civic education, but civic education in the US these days is terrible.) So, no, I would not be OK with the government violating the Constitution.

But borders are held to have suspended rights. And a large majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the border.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/population.html

It’s also been hypothesized that the “border” could be expanded to include many more. International airports are arguably ports of entry. Native American territories and embassies + consulates are considered foreign soil.

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Post by schoen »

yazan94 wrote: post #193
schoen wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always confused when I hear this about why malware researchers don't obtain a huge trove of malware samples (and/or zero-day exploits) by obtaining some of these "gifts" and then connecting them to honeypot devices. If all you have to do to receive one is travel to China as an employee of a major U.S. company, they must be quite easy to get ahold of.

I imagine the average Joe working at MSFT/AAPL/GOOG/etc. doesn't get such gifts unless they are worth hacking - in which case I imagine the gift-givers would have done their due diligence. Also corporate policies can be pretty specific and strict regarding gifts to eliminate potential conflicts of interests.

Due diligence about whether the gift recipient is likely to to use it personally rather than passing it along to a malware researcher?
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