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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by Haga »

Iv wrote: post #36
murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

That's worse IMO. I can (and would) opt out of taking my phone to China. I can't easily dodge US' requirements. These two bully super-powers really give me a bad feeling about the future...

Always tried to get around traveling to the US & mexico.. Lucky there is not much industry automation happening there anyway.

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Post by tantalor »

murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

I assume you're referring to this form: https://www.axistravel.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ONL...

Regarding email address, it's under "contact information" same as "home address". What's the problem?

Regarding social media, it says "optional", so...?

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by fao_ »

rwmj wrote: post #76
hannob wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I would been unable to give an accurate answer, I would certainly forget something I used in the past 5 years.

Well another question was much worse than that one: 1. Your complete travel history over the last 15 years, including source of funding for travel, in chronological order. I don't know anyone who would be able to answer that one accurately.

> I don't know anyone who would be able to answer that one accurately.

Of course, this is typical for dystopian governments. If everyone is technically guilty of a crime, and there is selective or variable enforcement, then you can justify the punishment that you want to mete out to specific people.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

jlawson wrote: post #88
Circuits wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing." - Hinduism, Buddhism? Certainly Christianity at some point in history but I think if you read the Koran and then read the bible you will see that one has a propensity to incite violence and discrimination that far outweighs the other.

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> Islamophobia is a made up word designed specifically to silence criticisms of Islam without having to address them. No other religion has such a word or such protections.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christophobia

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Judeophobia

What was that now?

I don't care if you have criticisms of Islam. But in the wake of the rise of stochastic terrorism especially among nationalist sentiments throughout the world, I do very much care about people echoing the same dog whistle arguments against Muslims on a thread where it's off topic.

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Post by saagarjha »

pupdogg wrote: post #84
saagarjha wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

yes, please provide factual proof of how your statement is accurate when it comes to Buddhism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by mLuby »

>"China is using technology for the perfection of dictatorship." -Pete Buttigieg, 2020 US presidential candidate

PRC may be blazing the trail, but as the tech becomes proved and available, I won't be surprised to see creeping adoption in more "free" countries (especially following crises).

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by Haga »

greglindahl wrote: post #10
beauzero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this enforcable? ...or is it just the accounts that you will be using while in the US? Technically this seems difficult to enforce.

You can potentially be permanently banned from entering the US if you lie or omit information.

You can also be deported if you kick us contractors from a US construction site and hire Canadians or Mexicans. Competition, only in small doses please.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by braythwayt »

erdo wrote: post #82

Given China's expansive attitude to industrial espionage (all foreign companies are fair game), if I were in charge of security for a large multinational, what's my security policy going to be for my employees who travel to China for meetings? Does this change anything? or is behaviour like this from China or indeed anyone else, already priced in?

Others can chime in, but I believe that most serious companies doing business with China have a burner-device policy for employees travelling to China.

Your devices will all be hacked with industrial espionage malware, and just in case you don't have anything on those devices, you will be given devices as "gifts"—like flash drives and WiFi-equipped smart home devices--that will exploit any devices you didn't bring with you.

INAE, but I believe the usual policy is to accept the gifts but discard them at the first opportunity.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by mikeash »

komali2 wrote: post #16
tartuffe78 wrote: post #8

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There's nothing inherent to the economic theory of Communism that requires a police state. This is entirely due to the totalitarian ruling government in the PRC. Even the capitalist ROC was a totalitarian government for decades.

The link is to the history of communism, not the theory. The history of communism in the 20th century is inextricably tied to totalitarianism. Whether this is because of the nature of communism or just because this particular communist movement was also totalitarian, they’re deeply connected. You can draw a pretty straight line from the totalitarian nature of the USSR to the behavior of the modern Chinese government. They opened up economically but the themes of political control continue.
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