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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by jandrese »

Circuits wrote: post #43
saagarjha wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam is not "dangerous and pervasive".

It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

It seems like a religion that draws leadership that looks to exploit it for political gain.

If you explore border and internal conflicts around the world today a depressingly large percentage of them list Muslims as combatants, sometimes on both sides. The only recent exception that comes to mind for me is the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Some of this is just due to the number of followers of the religion. When you have so many people they're bound to be caught up in fighting. But when those fighters use their religion as the casus belli for their conflict it's harder to ignore.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by erdo »

Given China's expansive attitude to industrial espionage (all foreign companies are fair game), if I were in charge of security for a large multinational, what's my security policy going to be for my employees who travel to China for meetings? Does this change anything? or is behaviour like this from China or indeed anyone else, already priced in?

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by saagarjha »

Circuits wrote: post #60
saagarjha wrote: post #51

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I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

"You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing." - Hinduism, Buddhism? Certainly Christianity at some point in history but I think if you read the Koran and then read the bible you will see that one has a propensity to incite violence and discrimination that far outweighs the other.

India has serious issues with Hindu extremism against religious minorities, as does Myanmar for Buddhism.

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Post by pupdogg »

saagarjha wrote: post #51
Circuits wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

yes, please provide factual proof of how your statement is accurate when it comes to Buddhism?

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Post by jandrese »

pjc50 wrote: post #50
Circuits wrote: post #43

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It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

On the historical record, it's not especially more dangerous than Christianity.

Over a long history yes. In recent history there are significant differences in aggressiveness.

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Post by fao_ »

Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #41
Iv wrote: post #36

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That's worse IMO. I can (and would) opt out of taking my phone to China. I can't easily dodge US' requirements. These two bully super-powers really give me a bad feeling about the future...

I can (and would) opt out of going to China. I'm all set with authoritarian dictatorships with torture camps and organ harvesting.

I can (and would) opt out of going to America.

I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.

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Post by jlawson »

Circuits wrote: post #60
saagarjha wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

"You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing." - Hinduism, Buddhism? Certainly Christianity at some point in history but I think if you read the Koran and then read the bible you will see that one has a propensity to incite violence and discrimination that far outweighs the other.

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Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by fao_ »

saagarjha wrote: post #33
pjc50 wrote: post #28

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Well, they can confiscate it and/or deport you if you don't.

Sure. If you're not a citizen, they can also probably hold you for a while too. But I don't think they can compel you to unlock the device.

> for a while

Not just a while. The US Patriot Act gave powers to allow border controls to hold people indefinitely without cause.

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