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Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

>But we (the tech community) never seem to get bored with the "Microsoft is eating humble pie on OSS" story. Maybe that's exactly what Microsoft deserves after so many years of big-bad-wolf behavior. And Microsoft absolutely relishes it. The tech community provides priceless support for Microsoft's key marketing message, which is that Azure runs everything and you don't have to go to AWS for first class Linux hosting…

> The humble pie they are eating is worth billions per bite.

Absolutely it is - I don't mean to deny that. Only that the story obscures a lot of value that we, the broader tech community, should be taking from their contributions.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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AD isn't just for Windows, which would be weird since it is mostly a fancy key value store (with associated functions and services of course). SSSD for example can use AD. The problem is that Linux itself doesn't support the same functionality client side, which using a configuration manager doesn't really solve. And question wasn't if you have used AD, but if you have managed Linux desktop deployments without it. Si…

I'm in the process of bulding a solution for managing all three OS'es. AD is not on the table because theres nothing to do with kerberos in our network and AD would be a "windows only" solution.

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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On one end, I really like the open source movement; Having said that, I can't do anything but blame it for the slow pace of computer systems research. My reasoning is that the OS does not sell anymore (partly due to FOSS movement) and thus research computing environments hardly come out of the labs for use in production. We are forever stuck with Unix's interpretation of what an OS could be, and there is very little…

This is not a new phenomenon, though; I was considering an OS research PhD all the way back in 2000, in the research group that brought out Nemesis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(operating_system) ) - but even back then I could see that the compatibility issue was a colossal barrier. Back then we thought Windows had won the desktop and the UNIX-like OSs would remain in a niche. The only thing that disrupted…

I guess thus is the same kind of evilution that s lotnpf technology goes through as it is adopted. Eventually, standards evolve (lane sizes, driving sides, electrical voltages and current limits etc...) and because they are adopted so widely, any change becomes almost impossible. C and UNIX look like they are going to be that standard for the computing world for the next few centuries.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I'm surprised it took this long. With Linux support for .NET and SQL Server, there is zero reason to host anything new on Windows now (of course legacy enterprise software is another story). I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Server is fully EOL'd in a few years.

You completely overlooked Active Directory. There is no open source alternative.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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On Azure, a Windows VM instance tends to cost about 50% more than the equivalent instance running Linux,so it is a no brainer to use Linux if your application is operation system independent.

I recently went through the Azure Fundamentals certification for work and one of the questions on the test (written/approved by Microsoft) even revolved around how to get a VM spun up as cheaply as possible, and the correct answer was "use Linux".

The new Microsoft doesn't care if you use Windows or Linux in Azure as long as you're using it in Azure. Windows licensing is far less profitable than any of the SaaS or PaaS offerings they'd rather you use.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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They could probably partner with Red Hat. I would've laughed at the idea 10 years ago, but these days, I wouldn't be that surprised. When they've had OS-ish integrations needed for things like machine-based authentication, RHEL has been treated like a first class citizen. I'm not sure how much Amazon Linux really changes other than branding and some baked-in tuning - unless you're really going to commit to maintainin…

Why would IBM undermine its own cloud like that though?

They have many, many partnerships that undermine their own offerings. Their strategy is less about being the best at something but being your one-stop-shop to get something that works for everything.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

I've been a dev for 20+ years now. I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. Microsoft - in every sphere from IDEs to cloud platforms and now machine learning - has done more to make this stuff easier to learn, use and afford than any other organization.

>I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction.

That's kind of like saying, "I don't care about voting, I just want politicians to represent me."

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Stuff suddenly starting to work on reboot for Windows is getting old. I don't know what to use Windows servers for if it wasn't for a project that uses MetaTrader.

We have these old Windows admins now learning to work with Linux. What drives me insane is their habit of randomly rebooting machines if something isn't working right. There is a problem with a Linux box, they ask you to take a look at it, you SSH in, type "uptime"... bam, it's two and a half minutes. A lot of precious diagnostic information has been lost.

With the growing ubiquity of the linux port of svchost.exe(systemd), nested hypervisors, containerization, et al. Rebooting (where feasible) has already become a front line option.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I've been a dev for 20+ years now. I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. Microsoft - in every sphere from IDEs to cloud platforms and now machine learning - has done more to make this stuff easier to learn, use and afford than any other organization.

> I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. That's kind of like saying, "I don't care about voting, I just want politicians to represent me."

Arguing on the internet isn't analogous to voting. Voting accomplishes things, arguing about OSS Vs Proprietary just wastes time.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I've been a dev for 20+ years now. I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. Microsoft - in every sphere from IDEs to cloud platforms and now machine learning - has done more to make this stuff easier to learn, use and afford than any other organization.

> I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. That's kind of like saying, "I don't care about voting, I just want politicians to represent me."

I think it's saying that "software politics" and productivity are not one in the same.
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