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I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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Re: I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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Post by lonelappde »

codesternews wrote: post #192
te_chris wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re going to link a video at least summarise the arguments so we have some idea of whether it’s worth watching.

First It's not my thoughts and secondly Jordon has very profound deep understanding and I think I am not capable of summarising his thoughts as I am also trying to decipher and get. He is clinical physiologist and he has good depth of this kind of subject and I'm not right person to translate his views. But what I get is this "Life is sacrifice at every level (He quotes and decipher bibles story) and you have to sacr…

Jordan Peterson uses his psychology degree to give false authority to his political musings, to inspire a profit from his fandom of hateful harassers. There are 7 billion people on this Earth and Jordan Peterson is not more worthy of study than the othets.

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Post by bubblewrap »

GordonS wrote: post #159
bubblewrap wrote: post #115

Typical New York Times, and typical for that kind of discussion. In such discussions, the image is always of a mother resigning from an interesting and important academic job. Presumably it is mostly academics who discuss such things, and NYT readers are also mostly academics. So when they think of mothers and careers, they think of interesting academic jobs. In reality, most women (and men) don't have such interesti…

> Now nurse might be reasonably interesting, but not irreplaceable like that lawyer. And arguably, you would be doing the same job as at home (changing diapers), only not with your children Did you seriously just equate the work that nurses do with changing diapers?

It was a rhetoric simplification. Are you seriously offended by that?

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Post by cheez »

jere wrote: post #249
drtillberg wrote: post #158

> I had picked the [trial] date, not the judge, [to coincide with my kid's seventh birthday] because I knew that the other side wasn’t ready. Delaying even a few days would have meant losing a crucial advantage. I wasn’t going to risk it knowing what was on the line for my client. I would just like to say that picking the most inconvenient time for all counsel involved is one of those tactics you see in the practice…

Call me extremely naive but I thought the point of a trial was to expose all the facts and give both sides ample time to do so, not to try to win over a "crucial advantage" by playing games. Seems like bad ethics in addition to bad parenting.

Oh boy you should not ever go into a legal situation with that perspective. It's about gaming every possible advantage.

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Post by bubblewrap »

untog wrote: post #185
throwaway4378 wrote: post #164

Few days ago I saw something about “Men’s rights” movement and my first reaction was to think of it as parody and laugh it off. But then I looked at few stories and videos and it was eye opening. Many people don’t understand how badly some of the men are being exploited and even driven to suicide. Current laws in Western world are heavily tilted towards perceiving men as guilty party, someone who must always be makin…

IMO there's nothing wrong with Men's Rights as a cause, but if you look at, for example, /r/mensrights on Reddit an absolutely toxic hatred of women pervades the place. It's not healthy. But yes, suicide, custody in divorce etc are issues where men deserve recourse. That said, historically women have been on the receiving end of physical violence from men far, far more often than vice versa and were told to suffer in…

"historically women have been on the receiving end of physical violence from men far"

Without the "from men" it would presumably not even be true. And the "from men" doesn't really justify retaliating against modern men in general.

Some men are rapists, most men fight rapists and many risk their lives in the line of defense (policemen, fire fighters, soldiers...). Yet they also get blamed for the deeds of the rapists. It's just weird.

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Post by justforyou »

cheez wrote: post #231
chachachoney wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're offering up a tabloid source which is ultimately referencing a survey of 11,000 people. >> These studies are hard to find because they get shouted out of the mainstream consciousness. Abstracts for studies are pretty easy to find on the internet (even the one you mention that is "hard to find"). Are you saying that there are legitimate academic studies which have been deleted? Serious assertions require seriou…

I read the original study, but my google-fu is not good enough to find it.

So are they hard to find because they get shouted out of mainstream consciousness, because of insufficient expertise at searching, or because they don't exist?

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Post by codesternews »

lonelappde wrote: post #261
codesternews wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First It's not my thoughts and secondly Jordon has very profound deep understanding and I think I am not capable of summarising his thoughts as I am also trying to decipher and get. He is clinical physiologist and he has good depth of this kind of subject and I'm not right person to translate his views. But what I get is this "Life is sacrifice at every level (He quotes and decipher bibles story) and you have to sacr…

Jordan Peterson uses his psychology degree to give false authority to his political musings, to inspire a profit from his fandom of hateful harassers. There are 7 billion people on this Earth and Jordan Peterson is not more worthy of study than the othets.

Well! I agree with some of his thoughts. I came to notice him recently through social media and do not know much about him.

But his identity politics argument and his equality of outcome is very true. In my country I am seeing the consequence of identity politics and groupism. Everyday lot of people being violent and some time it leads to deaths and lynching.

Another thing in my country is some group have certain quotas (equality of outcome) which leads to degraded products and performance and competent people are being ignored which can contribute much better.

Other than that I find some of his interview thought provoking.

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Post by justforyou »

rayiner wrote: post #37
Dayshine wrote: post #20

If you don't want to prioritise your kids over your job... don't have kids . Contraception is pretty damn effective, and people often have children for entirely selfish reasons. A dog isn't for christmas, and your kids aren't just cute toys until you get bored of raising them. There are plenty of people who are willing, enough that we won't have population problems.

That’s terrible advice. Kids are great (they’re also not, at societal scale, really optional). According to a Pew study, about 7% of people who had kids would, if they did it over again, have had no kids. By contrast, more than half of those who didn’t have kids would’ve chosen to not have kids again: https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.asp... . Indeed, out of people who didn’t have kids, a great…

I'd rather have a planet of people raised by people committed to doing the best job possible than people who have made a fulfilling life choice due to a lack of proper expectations.

It's not like underpopulation is a problem.

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Post by cheez »

justforyou wrote: post #265
cheez wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the original study, but my google-fu is not good enough to find it.

So are they hard to find because they get shouted out of mainstream consciousness, because of insufficient expertise at searching, or because they don't exist?

Let me ask you: had you heard of this very old statistic until now? Why not?

Edit: I dusted off my Google-fu and found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

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Post by lm28469 »

lonelappde wrote: post #261
codesternews wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First It's not my thoughts and secondly Jordon has very profound deep understanding and I think I am not capable of summarising his thoughts as I am also trying to decipher and get. He is clinical physiologist and he has good depth of this kind of subject and I'm not right person to translate his views. But what I get is this "Life is sacrifice at every level (He quotes and decipher bibles story) and you have to sacr…

Jordan Peterson uses his psychology degree to give false authority to his political musings, to inspire a profit from his fandom of hateful harassers. There are 7 billion people on this Earth and Jordan Peterson is not more worthy of study than the othets.

> There are 7 billion people on this Earth and Jordan Peterson is not more worthy of study than the othets.

How does that bring anything to the table ? I doubt 99% of the population would be as interesting if they gave speeches.

There are only a handful of people knowing their shit and sharing it in public for free. I don't see many people running around saying "Yoh Plato is shit no one should ever listen to him" even if they don't agree with his views.

Did you actually study him, as you seem to imply by making such strong statements ? I don't agree with a lot of his points but I have to admit that he has very interesting things to say about postmodernism, personal meaning, religions, &c. and as far as I know no one else is addressing these issues with that kind of depth in these days.

Re: I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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Post by justforyou »

codesternews wrote: post #192
te_chris wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re going to link a video at least summarise the arguments so we have some idea of whether it’s worth watching.

First It's not my thoughts and secondly Jordon has very profound deep understanding and I think I am not capable of summarising his thoughts as I am also trying to decipher and get. He is clinical physiologist and he has good depth of this kind of subject and I'm not right person to translate his views. But what I get is this "Life is sacrifice at every level (He quotes and decipher bibles story) and you have to sacr…

>> I think I am not capable of summarising his thoughts as I am also trying to decipher and get.

You can't have it both ways. If you are trying to "decipher and get" his thoughts how do you know he has a "profound and deep" understanding?

>> Sure you might disagree with me or him but you have your own perspective and you should decipher the meaning by yourself.

This is a discussion. The above sounds like you are prostelizing or advertising without participating.

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