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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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peterhadlaw wrote: post #156
magduf wrote: post #143

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>but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. How is that worse than doing business in a nation that has imprisoned thousands of impoverished migrants in concentration camps and has forcibly separated children from their families, to the point where many of…

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sgift wrote: post #164
peterhadlaw wrote: post #156

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I invite you to Dachau if you want a tour there. Dachau never was a formal extermination camp, but it was the concentration camp after which all other concentration camps were modeled and then modified. Maybe after a tour there you learn to be quiet about things you don't understand.

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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peterhadlaw wrote: post #189
sgift wrote: post #164

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I invite you to Dachau if you want a tour there. Dachau never was a formal extermination camp, but it was the concentration camp after which all other concentration camps were modeled and then modified. Maybe after a tour there you learn to be quiet about things you don't understand.

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sonnyblarney wrote: post #177
riq_ wrote: post #150

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> Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. First of all: You are not wrong. But similar things can be said about USA. USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they m…

"USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they mention it, they will put phrase it like "America liberated the population of Irak " This is complete rubbish. The US is not in the business of industrial espionage for commercial purposes - either on a corporate or governmental level, where China is. Second - geopolitical issues have nothing to do with theft of IP,…

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TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

I was you 2 years ago. Now after experiencing failed keyboard, battery and overall poor performance in my MBP I'm back with linux on a thinkpad. I'm curious about Windows though.

A bit of advice: if you end up buying a macbook give it some time and don't move your whole life into the ecosystem. It's incredibly hard to move out. You can't just export all your photo albums, Things tasks, and so on.

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Post by myoon »

dvtrn wrote: post #144
gambiting wrote: post #115

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Wait, what? I own a razer laptop but I bought it with knowledge that if anything goes wrong Razer support is worse than useless.

YMMV? I have the last generation blade laptop, and granted Ive only had two tickets opened with support but they were (at least in my experience) surprisingly fast and on the money with both experiences. I didn’t want to speak for everyone so that’s why I posited the italicized “Maybe” because PC support is like throwing darts at a dart board. From ten miles away. With headwind.

If you go to the Razer subreddit, there's reasonable consensus that buying from the Microsoft Store, Best Buy, etc. is highly recommended for the extended warranty, which you will have a high chance of using if you regularly game on it.

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Post by brandonmenc »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

> Macbook Pros have passed their peak

There's this weird idea that the quality of Apple products has just always steadily increased over time until this most recent MacBook Pro.

If you've been using Macs long enough, you'll remember various iBook debacles, the horrific 2006 MacBook, the utterly bizarre 3rd gen iPod, and other past missteps.

They'll bounce back (even though I actually love the current MBPs).

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Post by pfranz »

gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

I'm not surprised. I figured when they announced the Mac Pro would be produced in the US it was a test with a low volume product with high margins. That experiment failed (on many fronts), so they're reverting back to what they do for the rest of their products. Tim Cook has been pretty explicit about why they do production in China and it's not just the cost.

What's ironic is that only a week ago reports were that Apple is looking to move production /out/ of China (which is mentioned in the article): https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-examines-feasibility-of-s...

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Post by killjoywashere »

Krasnol wrote: post #247
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #246

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largest-ish company in the world scale?

And how is this related to the argument above now? Is it some kind of monarchy? PS. It's not the largest. Neither by market cap nor by employee number.

> Is it some kind of monarchy?

Bueno de Mesquita makes a compelling case for modeling most corporations as dictatorships in The Dictator's Handbook. So as long as succession is planned at the Corp, then yes, I suppose monar hy would be the correct model.

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