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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by 40acres »

chrisjc wrote: post #136
40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

I hate to dilute the conversation and the point you're trying to make, but I've had absolutely no luck grasping what this 'woke' meme is. Something about liberals finally understanding what conservatives have been saying all along?

Woke is shorthand for awoken, or awakening. It's generally used to signify an agreement (or at least understanding) of left leaning perspectives on civil rights.

Personally, despite my beliefs, I am not comfortable with corporations co-opting movements like LGBTQ pride on one hand (how many rainbow branded beer bottles have you seen this month?) and advocating policies that are diametrically opposed with the other.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by forkLding »

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

If USA is having a good relationship with Saudi Arabia which is not even really giving women rights and only recently allowed women to drive then you know USA don't care.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by Nokinside »

scohesc wrote: post #148
jshowa3 wrote: post #134

I honestly think the China IP rip off is overblown, and this is coming from someone who works there often. Also, if open source software has demonstrated, sequestering IP behind patents is a hindrance to society. And your critique about civil rights abuses could equally be leveled against the US itself. After all, we put several immigrant children in concentration camps on the daily because they just want to move to…

Not related to OP, but I think every country has the right to stop illegal immigration into their country - the US has been warning everyone numerous times and have said illegal migrants will be put into these places while they get processed and/or deported. These people made a choice to try and take the easy path for a better life, through methods that are less-than-ideal for the host country. Just because someone w…

You are confusing concentration camps and extermination camps. In Nazi Germany many but not all concentration camps were also extermination camps. Historians generally agree that US has now concentration camps in their original meaning.

Separating children from their parents into inhuman concentration camp is a crime against humanity.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by throwawayMUSE »

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

I work for one of the large companies whose product or services you probably use every day, maybe even multiple times a day.

One of the top people in my company has stated concretely to his leadership team that he doesn’t “give a fuck” about existing employees’ mental health or burning out. As long as we keep recruiting and maintain butts in seats, it doesn’t matter.

This person is responsible for a massive chunk of this company. He’s not some isolated irrelevant person.

For someone who doesn’t care about his own employees, I seriously doubt they care about China’s human rights record. It’s not that they think China is a bad spouse who will change their ways - IMO at least given my company, that analogy is wrong. They just don’t care.

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Post by peterhadlaw »

magduf wrote: post #143
40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

>but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. How is that worse than doing business in a nation that has imprisoned thousands of impoverished migrants in concentration camps and has forcibly separated children from their families, to the point where many of…

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by ASalazarMX »

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

It's unavoidable that USA loses its hegemony. It might be market, military or natural forces, but the balance of power always changes. China's star is rising for now, tomorrow it will be someone else's. Moral merit has nothing to do with this.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by 40acres »

riq_ wrote: post #150
40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

> Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. First of all: You are not wrong. But similar things can be said about USA. USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they m…

To be clear, I am many times more critical of my own government and the history of this nation than I ever can be of a foreign nation. My user name is specifically a reference to civil war era promises to freed slaves that were broken and the legacy of reconstruction.

That being said, just because my government does it doesn't mean that I can't call a spade a spade when I see it. What the Chinese government is doing in Xianjiang should be one of the highest international issues right now, unfortunately due to corporate interests China is receiving minimal pressure on the issue.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by freehunter »

lioeters wrote: post #93
TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

> Macbook Pros have passed their peak As someone who has used a number of Mac(book)s for years, I agree with this general (or a vocal minority's) consensus. It's a beautiful machine: great OS, hardware integration is (mostly) top notch, and a lot of pro-grade hard/software for multimedia production are only available on the Mac. And yet, the 2013 Macbook Pro (maxed out beyond recommended specs) is the last Apple-buil…

>2013 Macbook Pro is the last Apple-built computer I will buy

I had a 2013 and a 2015 at the same time (one for work, one personal) and the only difference was the Force Touch trackpad on the 2015. After using the 2013 for a while, I noticed my finger being sore, and I trace it back to trying to click anywhere (like the top of the trackpad) on the 2013 like I could on the 2015. It wouldn't work, so I'd push harder and end up hurting my finger.

Long story short, I'd much rather have a 2015 MBP than a 2013.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by empath75 »

peterhadlaw wrote: post #156
magduf wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. How is that worse than doing business in a nation that has imprisoned thousands of impoverished migrants in concentration camps and has forcibly separated children from their families, to the point where many of…

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They were concentration camps before they were extermination camps. You’re the one shifting language.
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