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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.

jUsT bUy A sEcOnD mOuSe!

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

"- community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism" Why do you feel the urge to insult those that do not see the world like you do? You call them "unrealistic", so it makes you fell realistic. "brainwashed" so it makes you feel clear minded. "tribalist" so it makes you feel individually intelligent. "lack perspective", so you believe you have perspective. The fact is that some…

Why are people so worked up over choice of a product? I don't really particularly care for Macbooks, but it's just a manufactured laptop. There is no real identity or pride to be derived from these sorts of consumerist choices. You have a need for a tool that does x, y, and z. You pick one you like that does what you need out a lineup of a dozen that mostly do x, y, and z. Pride is in the productive work you do with a tool, not having a tool in itself. Pride in simply having a thing is just marketing department garbage.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

> Their window switcher by default requires switching between applications then switching between the windows of that application. Why?

Really? When I use four fingers and swipe up (instead of down), I see windows from all applications and can switch between them

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

> Their window switcher by default requires switching between applications then switching between the windows of that application. Why? Really? When I use four fingers and swipe up (instead of down), I see windows from all applications and can switch between them

Try using the keyboard e.g. Alt+Tab in Windows.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

Louis Rossmann and his cult followers - they seem to feed on the righteousness cause that Rossmann has cultivated over the years. His rants do have truth but the way he conveys is emotion driven and designed to lure people into this cult of Apple haters.

There is one thing to criticize Apple on objective basis and another to develop a deep sense of hatred, vulgar insults, angry rants, personal attacks and fostering despicable contemptful culture with an emotional agenda. He has built a huge community of people that love watching him rant just about anything.

May be its just me but I don't enjoy this type of content even if I agree with their general assessment or opinions.

That said, I do like what he is doing for Right-To-Repair movement along with folks from iFixit and EFF.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

You can't even insert a usb flash stick without an adapter.

Top 3 dedicated ports for me would be:

- USB-A

- HDMI

- ethernet

The humorous post that made me smile, then made me sad: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the...

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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They aren't for me. While I would say Macs have always had excellent pads, I still hated them. I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something.

>I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something. But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. You press down with one finger and make the dragging motion with another. You can click and drag with a single finger if you want to (as I've just discovered - never occurred to me to do it that way), but you don't hav…

I have always found strange things to happen when my held down finger (on the "virtual button") moves too much or changes pressure - on both Windows and Mac. That's just one more thing to think about in the back of my head.

I especially hate the click and drag with a single finger, especially if I have multiple external monitors connected.

Personally, I prefer that a physical button only has two states (on/off), and that there be a physical division between the left and right buttons (so I don't have to look down and see whether my thumb is "over enough" - on a buttonless pad, it seems to never be over enough to the right when I want a context menu).

In the end, I just want the track pad to track, and buttons to be buttons. I don't want a unified trackpad with buttons and a software-based solution to guess what I'm trying to do. This is just me and my use case, obviously ymmv.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Apple manufactures bluetooth headphones also [0] .. do the math. The really popular Beats headphones for example are made by Apple indirectly. By cutting off the headphone connection, they are encouraging people to buy new products instead of using old and proven technologies. Apple has done this all the time during their history, eg. look at the whole adapter situation where you just have to buy extra hardware to co…

> encouraging people to buy new products instead of using old and proven technologies People who are not stupid are actually encouraged to switch to a competitor who is less anti-consumer.

If you look at broad consumer trends and attribute them to stupidity, you’re going to have a hard time understanding markets.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

Touch Bar which adds little value to mainstream Mac users
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