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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jimmaswell » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 3:42 PM UTC

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Here's the current MBP priced around $1300. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space... Here's the laptop I bought in September 2017 for about $1200 or $1100, now down to $840. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Omen-15-ax250wm-15-6-Full-HD-I... Screen: 13" vs 15.6" RAM: 8GB vs 12GB CPU: i5 vs i7 Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 vs GTX 1050Ti 4GB 128GB SSD vs 1TB HDD, you can buy your own 1TB SSD for aroun…

Doesn't the model you link to have a non-retina display? It's hardly comparable. You're not paying for raw specs when you buy a mac. You're paying for the screen, the trackpad, the aesthetics, the thin profile, the battery life, the speakers and microphone, and the OS. Apple has the good taste not to max out the specs if it means sacrificing other, more important features. If you look for Windows laptops that check a…

Ok, here's something 4K with same or better other specs compared to mine, at $1000. https://www.amazon.com/VivoBook-Touchscreen-i7-7700HQ-GeForc...

I've used the trackpad and looked at the screens of MBPs and it was nothing special. Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time. Battery life/speakers/microphone/trackpad are fine on mine. I don't see how you could think aesthetics are important enough to skimp out on power.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by rietta » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 3:44 PM UTC

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And iPhones received security updates for 5 years (60 months) vs the typical 18 months or leas on Androids because carriers suck.

> because carriers suck I'm conflicted on this topic. on one hand carriers are acting like total trash about android security. on the other hand people aren't forced into a lease and can get a vanilla android one device from a lot of different vendors and enjoy faster upgrades from the vendor and extended upgrades from projects like lineageos. I think the root cause is the general populace voting with their wallet in…

I think of phones as a 3 year replacement cycle. Though I am in year 4 with my 6s now. I get the manufacturer's original warranty plus the additional 2 years of repair or replace from my American Express card. One upside of keeping longer is that I am personally contributing less to the e-Waste problem than if I went through an Android phone per year.

So ballpark math, a $900 iPhone XR would be covered by either Apple or American Express for 36 months and cost me $25/month to maintain. I effectively run a leasing program for myself inside my small business budget.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mrcarruthers » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

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If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by JJMcJ » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

It's the old "I'll quit and be a consultant and my old employer will be first and only client", except that Ive is, I expect, rich already.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by foldr » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #711

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Doesn't the model you link to have a non-retina display? It's hardly comparable. You're not paying for raw specs when you buy a mac. You're paying for the screen, the trackpad, the aesthetics, the thin profile, the battery life, the speakers and microphone, and the OS. Apple has the good taste not to max out the specs if it means sacrificing other, more important features. If you look for Windows laptops that check a…

Ok, here's something 4K with same or better other specs compared to mine, at $1000. https://www.amazon.com/VivoBook-Touchscreen-i7-7700HQ-GeForc... I've used the trackpad and looked at the screens of MBPs and it was nothing special. Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time. Battery life/speakers/microphone/trackpad are fine on mine. I don't see how you could think aesthetics are impor…

You can get a macbook air for not much more than $1000, with all the advantages that I mentioned.

The ASUS laptop you link to has a poor battery life.

You can't seriously claim that the macbook trackpads are not ahead of the competition.

>Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time.

Ok, but macbooks are targeted at the majority of people who can easily tell the difference.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheKarateKid » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:06 PM UTC

app-pole wrote: post #667

m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

Agreed. The only thing that mitigated this is that larger screens naturally made us more prone to having a bunch of windows open on a screen. Back in the 1024x768 days, not being able to maximize a window on Mac was ridiculous. "Full screen" view is/was a terrible "solution" to this.

The fact that windows can't be "snapped" like on Windows is so frustrating. (Yes, I know there are 3rd party apps for this.)

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Post by foldr » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:08 PM UTC

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The haptic trackpads on the newer macbooks are perfect for this. You can click anywhere on the pad and the amount of pressure required is exactly the same. It's not tap to click, because you need to actually press down for a click to register.

They aren't for me. While I would say Macs have always had excellent pads, I still hated them. I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something.

>I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something.

But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. You press down with one finger and make the dragging motion with another. You can click and drag with a single finger if you want to (as I've just discovered - never occurred to me to do it that way), but you don't have to.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jimmaswell » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

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Ok, here's something 4K with same or better other specs compared to mine, at $1000. https://www.amazon.com/VivoBook-Touchscreen-i7-7700HQ-GeForc... I've used the trackpad and looked at the screens of MBPs and it was nothing special. Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time. Battery life/speakers/microphone/trackpad are fine on mine. I don't see how you could think aesthetics are impor…

You can get a macbook air for not much more than $1000, with all the advantages that I mentioned. The ASUS laptop you link to has a poor battery life. You can't seriously claim that the macbook trackpads are not ahead of the competition. >Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time. Ok, but macbooks are targeted at the majority of people who can easily tell the difference.

I'm sure I could tell it was over 1080p if I was paying close attention. It's mostly just passing familiarity being around coworker computers. Maybe Macbook trackpads really are that great but I have no complaints about mine. And I'm sure the battery life is fine if you turn on power saving features and don't leave intensive stuff running.

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Post by foldr » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:20 PM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #718

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You can get a macbook air for not much more than $1000, with all the advantages that I mentioned. The ASUS laptop you link to has a poor battery life. You can't seriously claim that the macbook trackpads are not ahead of the competition. >Didn't even realize the resolution was more than normal 1080p at the time. Ok, but macbooks are targeted at the majority of people who can easily tell the difference.

I'm sure I could tell it was over 1080p if I was paying close attention. It's mostly just passing familiarity being around coworker computers. Maybe Macbook trackpads really are that great but I have no complaints about mine. And I'm sure the battery life is fine if you turn on power saving features and don't leave intensive stuff running.

I'm just pointing out that there are real differences between a macbook and an $800 Windows laptop. Those differences may not matter to some people, which is fine. But it's simply not the case that the laptops you're linking to are comparable to macbooks. E.g., I would not switch to those laptops primarily because of the trackpad, screen, battery life and overall build quality.

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Post by xenospn » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:21 PM UTC

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I found that this happened if you are around cigarettes. Once I moved away from that family member, I’ve not had another one die in that fashion since.

Oh interesting, I did not think of that.

"Designed by Apple in California, where cigarettes do not exist"