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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by brynjolf »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

The keyboard is flawed, Apple even admits it. Guess being ignorant is more convenient though.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by helloindia »

steve19 wrote: post #434
jki275 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iphones have been waterproof since the 7 I think. The 3.5mm connector isn't waterproof, the lightning connector evidently is.

Android phones have been waterproof with 3.5mm jacks, for at least the past 5 years, maybe longer.

I don't know about other manufacturers, but the latest Google Pixel 3a & 3a XL which comes with the 3.5mm jack, aren't waterproof.

https://www.teamandroid.com/2019/05/16/google-pixel-3a-water...

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by wizardforhire »

underwater wrote: post #226
mstade wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

A Pro device should be like a truck, not a sleek sports car. Having ports available when you need them, not running out of battery, having a keyboard optimised for comfort and accuracy, and having a screen that is visible in all lighting conditions are core requirements for a device that is there to enable you do work. Most changes to the MacBook Pro have been driven by aesthetics and minimalism.

Totally! People are always commenting on how old my systems are. Last half of 2012 15” and an iPhone 5s... I just shrug and say “last of the Jobs models” and then I play this clip for them.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EK2ijfxqlnY

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by retardedGarbage »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

This comment is such a fucking joke, I can barely find enough motivation to criticize it, knowing that it's so obviously laughable.

The chin? The phone's fucking chin? You think the company hinges on phone chins?

You think that's a leadership decision?

The only reason they spent on the research was because they have money. The iPhone X isn't even their best phone. It has no headphone jack. It's too big. It's too expensive. The lack of a button sucks. The thin bezel means accidental touch events, that the operating system fails to discriminate against because there really is no way to know which ones are accidental... The iPhone X is shit design, and a step backwards.

The reason he's gone is because he's botching design decisions and he's lost touch. The heave ho is the best choice.

I could go on.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by [deleted] »

jki275 wrote: post #397
steve19 wrote: post #281

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Its not obselete when 100s of millions of people use it everyday and the replacement is expensive, needs replacing because the batteries die and has poorer sound quality. No phone is more waterproof with it than without (they all have complex data ports with many connection vs three or four in a jack). No phone has a bigger battery. No phone is tougher. It allows Apple and others to sell expensice Bluetooth ear buds.…

The iphones have been waterproof since the 7 I think. The 3.5mm connector isn't waterproof, the lightning connector evidently is.

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by retardedGarbage »

steve19 wrote: post #434
jki275 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iphones have been waterproof since the 7 I think. The 3.5mm connector isn't waterproof, the lightning connector evidently is.

Android phones have been waterproof with 3.5mm jacks, for at least the past 5 years, maybe longer.

Most milspec phones have been waterproof for a long time. Kyocera has a group of phone models (named Hydro) that are/were waterproof, although they aren't very impressive or popular, and rely on caps with gaskets.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by klingonopera »

Bud wrote: post #197
PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #66

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How about decisions like removing the headphone jacks from the company's most popular music players, the very devices with which people are supposed consume the media-centric services that Tim Cook and analysts say are the future of Apple? For Apple's and consumers' sake, I hope NOT.

This decision was promptly copied by every other major phone manufacturer, for the same reasons Apple made the decision. The 3.5mm jack is obsolete and getting rid of it enables a better, tougher device which is more waterproof.

I guess it's not as super obvious as it sounds, but if you take a look at a 3.5mm audio jack, it's not that hard to imagine creating a hermetically sealed (and therefore waterproof) female plug for that specification.

Far easier than for a USB port, I'd say.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by detaro »

helloindia wrote: post #482
steve19 wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android phones have been waterproof with 3.5mm jacks, for at least the past 5 years, maybe longer.

I don't know about other manufacturers, but the latest Google Pixel 3a & 3a XL which comes with the 3.5mm jack, aren't waterproof. https://www.teamandroid.com/2019/05/16/google-pixel-3a-water...

Yes, and other manufacturers make phones that are waterproof. Just one example: Motorola moto x4.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by snovv_crash »

dpkonofa wrote: post #305
0xffff2 wrote: post #161

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Maybe for your personal monitors. A far more annoying problem is connecting to conference room projectors. My or still has conference rooms with nothing but VGA cables plugged in to the projector.

This is exactly why I'm 100% for the USB-C switch. I have 1 dongle that handles every video type to USB-C - VGA, DVI, HDMI, and even mDP. There's no reason for all 4 of those ports to be built into the computer on the off chance that I need one of them.

I have the opposite perspective. I'd like my $3000 device to have all the ports I'm likely to need over the lifetime of said device. Dongles and specific adapter cables are a pain.
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