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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#342I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.
> He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market.
Do people really think the macbook as a device is great for programming?
Maybe it's just personal preference but I've always hated the keyboard (spacing was bad and lots of more less mainstream keys that are important in programming like the function keys were really small) and how annoyingly large the mouse pad is.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…
I cannot imagine defending the move to 100% usb-c ports. An iphone out of the box cannot be connected to a new mac laptop. It's complete insanity. The rest of the world isn't there yet. Every single person I know who owns a usb-c mac laptop owns a $100 dongle that they carry everywhere with them. For me being able to plug in USB type-A is a non-negotiable part of using a laptop still, 4 years after the move. Same wit…
> An iphone out of the box cannot be connected to a new mac laptop. It's complete insanity.
While I disagree with pretty much everything else you said, this is 100% on point. That they haven't moved iPhones and iPads to usb-c yet, or at least include a usb-c to lightning cable in the box, is mind boggling to me.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their tech is 2019 appropriate if you don't have an Apple laptop, is the thing. And they even provide some USB-C stuff for Apple devices, but only from Apple, I assume because the demand is nearly nonexistent. Just like if it were a proprietary Apple port—though I think they actually have some lightning cables from other manufacturers, at least, unlike USB-C. [EDIT] I just think they whiffed well ahead of the ball on…
If you remember the original iMac, they did the same thing with USB-A. Everybody was concerned that the iMac's only I/O port was USB (when others had serial, parallel, and maybe SCSI/USB as an afterthought), and it was completely incompatible with legacy peripherals. For many years USB accessories were considered specialty items for the Mac market. It kinda sucked at first... but it's not clear if USB would have even…
> but it's not clear if USB would have even caught on if Apple didn't do that.
Here's the problem with that argument; Macs are a pretty small percentage of the computer market, and always have been. Consumer peripheral companies are driven by what people will buy, not moving the market forward.
USB was always going to be what it is, and if you want evidence of Apple's lack of power here just look at FireWire. They pushed it hard, but consumers didn't care so it died.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#345Hopefully this signals the end of the designers tyranny at Apple. While physical design has been of paramount importance in Apple's rise to the top, it has been more and more detrimental as Jony and his group wandered into worshipping at the altar of luxury and Platonic idealism. When combined with /not/ ignoring other than luxury market segments and usability that was fine. But when Jony's star was completely ascend…
> Hopefully this signals the end of the designers tyranny at Apple. Wait, how do you know it doesn't mean... - all toasters will be as thin as a slice of bread - refrigerators will now open and close like a laptop - washers and dryers will now be wireless (compatibility dongles for water and lint will be available)
Look at the building Jony Ive designed. People literally walk into walls.
Maybe the world is better off if he works on computer hardware all day every day.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#346Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.
They do have a thicker pro latop: the iMac.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#347Hopefully this signals the end of the designers tyranny at Apple. While physical design has been of paramount importance in Apple's rise to the top, it has been more and more detrimental as Jony and his group wandered into worshipping at the altar of luxury and Platonic idealism. When combined with /not/ ignoring other than luxury market segments and usability that was fine. But when Jony's star was completely ascend…
I don't like that phrase, "tyranny of design". It implies design is just one side of a product. But design is everything . It is both form and function. A product that has great visual design is still a failure if the functional design is bad. A great designer is holistic and will be able to bring form and function into harmony.. While I don't have the inside scoop on how Jonathan Ive works, my impression is that he'…
> But design is everything. It is both form and function.
Steve Jobs would agree with you: "People think it's this veneer – that the designers are handed this box and told, 'Make it look good!' That's not what we think design is. It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
So I think OP's term "tyranny of design" could be better phrased "tyranny of form" (as opposed to function).
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#348What happened to the Beatles after the death of John Lennon? How did the Doors manage themselves creatively after Jim? It is going to be fascinating to see how Apple manages creativity, collaboration and inspiration hereon.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…
I cannot imagine defending the move to 100% usb-c ports. An iphone out of the box cannot be connected to a new mac laptop. It's complete insanity. The rest of the world isn't there yet. Every single person I know who owns a usb-c mac laptop owns a $100 dongle that they carry everywhere with them. For me being able to plug in USB type-A is a non-negotiable part of using a laptop still, 4 years after the move. Same wit…
The mid 2012 Macbook Pro Retina was the best Macbook. It had a HDMI port, USB-A ports, SD card reader, and a Magsafe plug that wouldn't send your Mac flying if someone ran into the cord.
Mine worked well for 6 years, but it had a hidden defect where the graphics card would cause a kernel panic. Even though it was a factory defect, Apple said it was "vintage" and I was forced to upgrade. Sad part is Apple will never make a Macbook like that especially with a starting price of $1600.
Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client
#350Pretentious