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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Tade0 »

torben-friis wrote: post #205
threeseed wrote: post #156

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USB-C is infinitely better than Magsafe. You can use any charger, use battery packs and any third party cable which means far more reliability and quality.

I think the argument for using universal chargers or battery packs makes sense for phones, where it is certainly understandable that you'd find yourself somewhere with a phone but without means to charge it - most people carry their phones in a pocket, where a charger battery might not fit or be comfortable to carry. Moments where you'd find yourself with a laptop but without a charger are far harder to imagine for m…

Moments where you'd find yourself with a laptop but without a charger are far harder to imagine for me

A while ago I left my charger at work and the next day was working remotely.

I used a phone charger, but had to power the thing off for lunch because only then it charged at the maximum rate of 8%/h.

Plugged in I was actually losing charge faster because the laptop though it was connected to a 60W unit, not a 10W one.

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Post by dpkonofa »

jedberg wrote: post #102
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

>how awful it is to not have an HDMI port.

Disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a USB-C to Video adapter from Amazon that has DVI, VGA, HDMI, and mDP and it only takes up one space on my MacBook and the only time I ever need to use it is when I'm presenting so I can just keep it in my laptop bag. That also means that I don't have to worry about what tech is being used at the place I'm presenting because I have all the options covered as opposed to just having 1 port or multiple ports on my machine.

At my desk, I have a USB-C hub that's connected to both monitors, storage, power, and my keyboard/mouse and it's also 1 cable and 1 slot on the MacBook. I can hook either up to whatever port on whatever side I want to. The flexibility is way more worthwhile than a dedicated HDMI port to me.

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Post by tjohns »

asark wrote: post #191
Bud wrote: post #182

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Stop expecting Target to carry a 2019-appropriate selection of tech. Just go to monoprice.com.

Their tech is 2019 appropriate if you don't have an Apple laptop, is the thing. And they even provide some USB-C stuff for Apple devices, but only from Apple, I assume because the demand is nearly nonexistent. Just like if it were a proprietary Apple port—though I think they actually have some lightning cables from other manufacturers, at least, unlike USB-C. [EDIT] I just think they whiffed well ahead of the ball on…

If you remember the original iMac, they did the same thing with USB-A.

Everybody was concerned that the iMac's only I/O port was USB (when others had serial, parallel, and maybe SCSI/USB as an afterthought), and it was completely incompatible with legacy peripherals. For many years USB accessories were considered specialty items for the Mac market.

It kinda sucked at first... but it's not clear if USB would have even caught on if Apple didn't do that. In the long term, Apple clearly made the right move.

At the very least, this isn't outside of Apple's usual playbook.

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Post by soheil »

jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

If he took away MagSafe I couldn't be happier he's gone. I still think it's a bold move by Apple if it was voluntary, they have so much to lose if their new design deviates from the old significantly even if it doesn't they're unlikely to gain much as it's probably near impossible to find a Steve Job replacement when it comes to design.

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Post by dpkonofa »

0xffff2 wrote: post #161
msbarnett wrote: post #146

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> The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen. FWIW, you're far better off getting a native cable with a USB-C end like [1] or [2] rather than using a dongle. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-USB-C-Supporting-Black/... [2] https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-USB-C-Suppo...

Maybe for your personal monitors. A far more annoying problem is connecting to conference room projectors. My or still has conference rooms with nothing but VGA cables plugged in to the projector.

This is exactly why I'm 100% for the USB-C switch. I have 1 dongle that handles every video type to USB-C - VGA, DVI, HDMI, and even mDP. There's no reason for all 4 of those ports to be built into the computer on the off chance that I need one of them.

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Post by Angostura »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

The boldest move at the moment would be "We believe that thinness for the sake of it, is dead as a trend, today we are announcing a new direction that will see us build beautiful products that are nonetheless expandable, repairable, green"

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Post by sprafa »

gruturo wrote: post #270
sprafa wrote: post #253

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What’s wrong with the new Mac?

(Apart from the price:) Nothing. It's a complete reversal from the trashcan. It's cheesy (!), loud, fun, it has personality, you can take it apart, mess with its insides, which are actually worth talking about. And people LOVE it - just as they'd probably love a decent Macbook which is maybe 0.2in thicker, but comes with an Esc key, a keyboard which won't die within a year, and enough ports to be usable.

Yep! I think it’s a fantastic machine that looks great. Same with the screen.

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Post by jjtheblunt »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

aesthetically, i think you meant, as ascetically means something very different.

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Post by mstade »

underwater wrote: post #226
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

A Pro device should be like a truck, not a sleek sports car. Having ports available when you need them, not running out of battery, having a keyboard optimised for comfort and accuracy, and having a screen that is visible in all lighting conditions are core requirements for a device that is there to enable you do work. Most changes to the MacBook Pro have been driven by aesthetics and minimalism.

Keeping with the car metaphor: your mileage may vary I guess. I'm getting great mileage out of my MBP, with none of those issues you mention, so I guess the sports car edition is fine with me. That's why I'd love to see a proper survey on this, because I never hear these complaints from people I meet, only online.

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Post by sytelus »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

Personally, I think focus should be on battery life improvement, app management UX, privacy (for example, to this day I can't turn off ALL notifications) etc. I would take 20% thicker iPhone for 20% better battery life and headphone jack any day. Cosmetic changes and thinness-for-thinness sake are worthless.
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