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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dsego »

nutjob2 wrote: post #234
bradknowles wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the power side of the equation, I have come to understand why they chose to go the direction they did. With the previous generation of MagSafe/MagSafe II power supplies, if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply. If the MagSafe connector gets hosed, you have to replace the entire power supply. Basically, if anything goes wrong beyond the AC input side, you have to replace the whole…

I always hated the MagSafe connectors because I almost always used my laptop with the power connected but not on a table or other hard surface (eg a bed), and it would invariably fall off constantly.

USB-C is not making it better, my t480s cable is too heavy and you can see it tugging on the connector and it's not sitting straight but tilted. I already managed to break one USB-C socket on my 2016 macbook pro, I can see it breaking soon on the thinkpad if I don't caress it, which means not letting the cable hang and making sure not to bump it with my knee.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by sprafa »

dv_dt wrote: post #163
liamcardenas wrote: post #116

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Well they aren’t losing 100% of him since they are still able to retain his services. If this price movement was due to his departure it would indicate he has an even higher valuation.

The question in my mind is not are they losing 100% of him, it's if this an involuntary soft retirement from Apple for Ives.

As much as we can man-myth the man, he’s got one of the best design teams on the planet around him. Unless they all leave (and even if they do, they could replace them all with the second best design team in the world quickly as all industrial designers would jump to work at Apple) I don’t see how this could anywhere but up.

Remember it was rumoured Ive who insisted in the super luxury version of the Apple Watch, and they had to drop it because it was so absurd. He also bought a Bentley around the same time. I just got a feeling without Steve to ground him, his posh Englishness might have led him astray.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mattigames »

saagarjha wrote: post #220
mattigames wrote: post #136

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This link should give you some clues, is one of the worst reviewed products on Apple.com https://www.apple.com/shop/reviews/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-a...

I'm not sure I'd put a lot of credibility in the reviews on apple.com. Especially for a device like a display adapter which is frequently connected to a finicky and/or cheap device like a projector or display.

Then why so many have 5 stars on Amazon? Are people that buy apple products more likely to connect them to finicky or cheap devices?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by sprafa »

eatmyshorts wrote: post #118
IshKebab wrote: post #84

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I'd be amazed if the random fluctuation in Apple's stock is less than 1%.

But the stock dropped 1% in the seconds after the announcement. This isn’t a 1% drop over the entire day; it’s a 1% drop in 30 seconds after the market has closed. I think it’s safe to say the market values Ive’s contribution to Apple at $9b

Assuming the market valuation of this I worth a cent. Which... it probably isn’t.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mrep »

eatmyshorts wrote: post #118
IshKebab wrote: post #84

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I'd be amazed if the random fluctuation in Apple's stock is less than 1%.

But the stock dropped 1% in the seconds after the announcement. This isn’t a 1% drop over the entire day; it’s a 1% drop in 30 seconds after the market has closed. I think it’s safe to say the market values Ive’s contribution to Apple at $9b

After hours activity doesn't mean shit.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by xenospn »

jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

I love the thin design. I'll take a single USB-C port over multiple ports any day. (and yes, I do use an external monitor, which is a USB hub, and a 1Gbps ethernet dongle)

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Post by omarchowdhury »

sneakernets wrote: post #30
CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I just want a thick MacBook Pro again. To my brain, thin = flimsy and cheap. Give me something with some weight to it, and a keyboard that doesn't suck. Heck, just refresh the 2011 design with modern tech and I'll be happy. (And no more friggin' touchbar that messes up my Vim workflow. please!)

Get a laptop protector. You'll get the weight and added protection.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by xenospn »

dsego wrote: post #260
bradknowles wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the power side of the equation, I have come to understand why they chose to go the direction they did. With the previous generation of MagSafe/MagSafe II power supplies, if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply. If the MagSafe connector gets hosed, you have to replace the entire power supply. Basically, if anything goes wrong beyond the AC input side, you have to replace the whole…

Funny how other laptops (and I've owned PC laptops and macbooks) have cables that don't fray. Only Apple's old magsafe cable has that fine rubbery material that disintegrates with time, and no strain relief on the connector.

You know, I've never had that happen to me, and I've owned multiple MacBooks and iphones over many years.

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Post by jeremyjh »

CountSessine wrote: post #243
philjohn wrote: post #141

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I keep seeing this, and I've got one and disagree. I quite like the new keyboard feel, I can type damned fast on it. The touchbar implementation in IntelliJ is nice, touch ID is great to login, I travel quite a bit so having something powerful but super light is a huge boon. It's probably not for everyone, but it felt like an upgrade over the 2015 model I was using before ... and sure, they jumped the gun on USB-C bu…

YMMV I guess, but I work as a programmer at a company where all the programmers carry these around and spend their whole days in emacs or tmux+vim. There are about a hundred of us in our local office. I haven’t found anyone who doesn’t hate this thing, and it all comes down to that stupid butterfly keyboard. We’re a company of super-efficient touch typists, and the 2015 MacBook pros with their scissor switches are co…

Do you really have a lot of programmers typing on a laptop keyboard for much of the day? That would seem really strange to me. No laptop keyboard is good compared to a good mechanical, or really any external keyboard. I have one of these pros and I type on it a fair bit because I commute on the bus and I agree its not the best...but at the office I have proper equipment for doing programming work.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by bborud »

Just like evolution requires selection to work, good design requires an good filter. I think Jobs was the filter that made Jony Ive good. Without filter Ive appears to be just another unbridled ego not quite able to retain focus on what is important.

I hope this means Apple will hire designers more respectful of utility for the MBP and iMac lines and start catering to professionals. And then Ive can focus on making insanely expensive to manufacture halo products with CNC’ed cheese graters.

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