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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by sprafa »

nextos wrote: post #74
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

I left Apple years ago because of this. Extremes are never good. Hardware was getting thin and UI flat for the sake of looking pretty to the masses. And from what I see things got a bit worse. I actually prefer the aesthetics of early MacBook / MacBook Pro unibody and iPhone SE. And they were a pleasure to use. Good key travel and easy to hold with one hand, respectively. I hope there is a bit of function re-introduc…

I have nothing but pure unadulterated love for my iPhone SE. I can’t imagine myself with a bigger phone and I’m just waiting for them to make a similar new model. Sometimes I wonder if they will though.

I feel the same way about pre Touch Bar MacBooks - not that I have anything against Touch Bar (I think it’s fine and should probably be a lot more hackable) but the new keyboard just causes me cramps and finger pain after very little time. The old keyboards were so so good. Tactile, clicky and solid.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mstade »

jwr wrote: post #203
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Yes, it's definitely divisive. In my case, I do need a reliable keyboard, I do not have a single USB-C device around me that I can connect (while having literally tens of USB-A devices), I do not need or want the touchbar, I want the function keys, and I don't mind the extra thickness. The new macbooks make all the wrong compromises for me. So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a s…

> So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a single compromise across the entire line?

I’m guessing because it’s probably cheaper and easier to produce fewer models, and not enough benefit to producing more. It obviously rubs some people the wrong way, but perhaps not nearly enough, no matter how vocal they may be.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by nutjob2 »

bradknowles wrote: post #145
jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

So, on the power side of the equation, I have come to understand why they chose to go the direction they did. With the previous generation of MagSafe/MagSafe II power supplies, if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply. If the MagSafe connector gets hosed, you have to replace the entire power supply. Basically, if anything goes wrong beyond the AC input side, you have to replace the whole…

I always hated the MagSafe connectors because I almost always used my laptop with the power connected but not on a table or other hard surface (eg a bed), and it would invariably fall off constantly.

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Post by jonknee »

interlocutor wrote: post #152

Apple used to be known for their amazing designs. That was when Steve was running the company. Since his death Apple has been in a free fall in the design space. Most of the comments here seem to be about their awful hardware design. Yes, the thin macbook is not very usable, and the Homepod which is shaped like an amorphous blob is uglier than any Bose speaker. But what about their software? Their UI design is super…

Steve let some awful designs out. Remember the hockey puck mouse? He even released his own awful expensive failure of a speaker.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by killjoywashere »

mstade wrote: post #181
thinkling wrote: post #154

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> if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply This is true for the existing design but it would have been easy to redesign the power supply to avoid it. Just look at the other end: the wall-plug end has long been replaceable; it slides out so you can put on a different plug or a longer cable. This could be true on the MagSafe side as well -- then any Mac power supply could be used with any g…

But the MagSafe cable would serve exactly one purpose, whereas the usb-c cable does not. And now I can charge from Either side of the box too – great stuff! When my cable broke it wasn’t a big deal, I had an extra (shorter) cable I could use, and then go get a new one later. I’d be hard pressed to buy extra MagSafe cables to carry around just in case one broke, but the extra usb-c cables are actually useful or other…

What would be awesome is USB-C in a magsafe connector. Would the magnet interfere with the signal transmission at all?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jonknee »

Bud wrote: post #192
eatmyshorts wrote: post #118

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But the stock dropped 1% in the seconds after the announcement. This isn’t a 1% drop over the entire day; it’s a 1% drop in 30 seconds after the market has closed. I think it’s safe to say the market values Ive’s contribution to Apple at $9b

Ive is worth more like $300B. Easily.

But in the real world he is definitely not the wealthiest person in the world.

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Post by jbombadil »

threeseed wrote: post #156
Reedx wrote: post #110

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That they removed MagSafe boggles the mind. The usability was objectively better than the replacement. You could easily plug it in even if blindfolded. And no problem when the cord got unexpectedly pulled or tripped on. Every time I plug in my new macbook I miss it.

USB-C is infinitely better than Magsafe. You can use any charger, use battery packs and any third party cable which means far more reliability and quality.

Surface Go has the best of both worlds. You can use a usb-c charger if you chose to, but it also has a magnetic cable.

I find it a great compromise. During travel, I only take a usb-c charger. But for home/work, where it is plugged most of the time and at most risk of accidental cable-kicking, I use the magnetic charger.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by andybak »

fumar wrote: post #214
amluto wrote: post #176

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Do you actually need the thin part or just the light part? I used to amuse people by demonstrating that my not-at-all-sexy ThinkPad weighed less than the original MacBook Air despite being a lot thicker and more powerful. The recent iPhones in particular bother me. What’s the point of being mostly thin if the camera lens sticks out and snags on things?

Yes, I find the thinner the device the easier it is to pack. I should say overall volume. If I can travel for 1-2 days with a simple backpack, that is best case scenario. I keep trying to go 100% iPad Pro but its not quite there yet. I have taken plenty of day trips with just my macbook pro, no case or sleeve.

I've got a thin and light Mac that still has the ports.
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