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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by MiddleEndian »

torben-friis wrote: post #205
threeseed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-C is infinitely better than Magsafe. You can use any charger, use battery packs and any third party cable which means far more reliability and quality.

I think the argument for using universal chargers or battery packs makes sense for phones, where it is certainly understandable that you'd find yourself somewhere with a phone but without means to charge it - most people carry their phones in a pocket, where a charger battery might not fit or be comfortable to carry. Moments where you'd find yourself with a laptop but without a charger are far harder to imagine for m…

I agree with you. I also loved the magsafe. My current laptop, not from Apple, uses a similar charger and I like it a lot. I very rarely have my laptop without my charger, plus it has an extra usb port on the power brick to charge my phone.

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Post by CountSessine »

munificent wrote: post #183
CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I agree, but he also brought us the 2016 MBP which is possibly the best programmer's laptop ever made.

The 2016 4th generation MacBook Pro with its execrable butterfly keyboard is what I’m talking about. Thinness for thinness-sake - forget about typing efficiency, typing correctness, or repetitive stress injuries. Damnable thinness at any cost.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

WMCRUN wrote: post #174

The last paragraph has nothing to do with Jony Ive and is like a little self pep talk from Apple.

That’s their press release boilerplate. The same paragraph appears at the bottom of every press release, though it gets updated from time to time. They’ve been doing that since at least 2004.

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Post by underwater »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

A Pro device should be like a truck, not a sleek sports car.

Having ports available when you need them, not running out of battery, having a keyboard optimised for comfort and accuracy, and having a screen that is visible in all lighting conditions are core requirements for a device that is there to enable you do work. Most changes to the MacBook Pro have been driven by aesthetics and minimalism.

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Post by panopticon »

interlocutor wrote: post #152

Apple used to be known for their amazing designs. That was when Steve was running the company. Since his death Apple has been in a free fall in the design space. Most of the comments here seem to be about their awful hardware design. Yes, the thin macbook is not very usable, and the Homepod which is shaped like an amorphous blob is uglier than any Bose speaker. But what about their software? Their UI design is super…

That seems pretty hyperbolic, especially considering that Nielsen says flat designs are on the right track. To quote, "Early pseudo-3D GUIs and Steve-Jobs-esque skeuomorphism often produced heavy, clunky interfaces. Scaling back from those excesses is good for usability. But removing visual distinctions to produce fully flat designs with no signifiers can be an equally bad extreme. Flat 2.0 provides an opportunity for compromise — visual simplicity without sacrificing signifiers."

And that Tumblr blog appears equally hyperbolic. There are some clear UI/UX mistakes in there, but the blog is conveniently ignoring how visually noisy those pre-Yosmite GUI elements are in-context by providing oddly cropped screenshots to make a point.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

jwr wrote: post #203
mstade wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Yes, it's definitely divisive. In my case, I do need a reliable keyboard, I do not have a single USB-C device around me that I can connect (while having literally tens of USB-A devices), I do not need or want the touchbar, I want the function keys, and I don't mind the extra thickness. The new macbooks make all the wrong compromises for me. So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a s…

If you're living in fear maybe you should stop being their customer.

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Post by cortesoft »

Bud wrote: post #182
asark wrote: post #135

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I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

Stop expecting Target to carry a 2019-appropriate selection of tech. Just go to monoprice.com.

Can you get it in 30 minutes from monoprice?

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Post by favorited »

eatmyshorts wrote: post #118
IshKebab wrote: post #84

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I'd be amazed if the random fluctuation in Apple's stock is less than 1%.

But the stock dropped 1% in the seconds after the announcement. This isn’t a 1% drop over the entire day; it’s a 1% drop in 30 seconds after the market has closed. I think it’s safe to say the market values Ive’s contribution to Apple at $9b

That's not "safe to say" at all – markets don't respond well to uncertainty, and SVP-level changes at a company like Apple = uncertainty.

If the company's market value was consistently $9b lower after someone left, then you might make that case.

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