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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by randomvectors »

fnord77 wrote: post #108
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

given their recent focus on being a services/media company, it wouldn't surprise me if they moved out of hardware entirely at some point in the future.

It's unlikely they will move out of the market which gives them the most recognition as a brand and accounts for a disproportionately high % of their revenue.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mstade »

jedberg wrote: post #102
mstade wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

> Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop [...]

I do, almost daily. I even bought the HDMI dongle thinking I might need it when doing presentations outside of my usual workplaces but I have literally never used it. The presentation problem was solved years ago by airplay and chromecast, and the only thing I use HDMI for these days is to hook up things permanently, not temporarily.

I did think at first that I’d miss MagSafe, but I’ve never had an issue with the cable sticking in the port such that I yank my laptop of the table, and I’ve yanked that cable out a number of times. As another commenter rightly pointed out as well, the move from MagSafe actually meant when my cable got damaged because someone put a chair on it I didn’t have to swap the whole power supply, just the cable. Huge win and since I had extra I could solve it right then and there.

I’m no photographer though, so can’t really say for the SD thing. Maybe that does suck.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

noir_lord wrote: post #165
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #128

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As a person with knowledge of machining and who is rather technical, the "grater" design is honestly pretty appealing to me- I wish the New Pro's had filters, but that design looks cool . It does, at least, look better than the last PC I built.

I admire the work it took to build it but not the design. I have a Coolermaster H500 (I wanted high air flow with filters as I have ambulatory fur producers (cats)), it’s a bit too RGB for me but other than that very very functional and was a dream to build inside. Against that the Mac Pro doesn’t fair well on cost to function at all.

I wasn't focusing on the cost aspect, mostly the "dang, that's a cool front panel" aspect.

I do agree that it needs some filters, but other than that, it looks pretty good, and I like it. Does that mean I'm going to spend $6K on a base Mac Pro? Probably not- I have friends with access to everything I need- I'd just have to come up with a design.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by noir_lord »

mevile wrote: post #151
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

I have never heard of nor noticed the chin difference of iPhones before. I don't see how the loss of attention to detail at that expense would materially impact Apple, except maybe for the better.

I often think with apple people either get what they care about or they don’t.

I own the most recent iPad and iPad mini (on that now) and I like both but neither more than my Nokia 6.1.

All three are functional devices that do what I need with little to no fuss.

The tiny aesthetic differences between them are lost on me or more accurately are irrelevant to me.

Which is why I don’t have an iPhone, for tablets apple are hands down the best but for my phone needs a Nokia running stock android at one fifth the price does 99% of what I care about.

I have zero loyalty to a brand or a platform, I use whatever works for me at the time I guess.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by amluto »

fumar wrote: post #36
CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I travel frequently for work. I like having a pro machine that is light and thin. I am okay with compromises, but understand that the target audience feels differently. I believe my Macbook Pro goes more places than before due to the compactness. That includes using python, photo, design, and general office work.

Do you actually need the thin part or just the light part? I used to amuse people by demonstrating that my not-at-all-sexy ThinkPad weighed less than the original MacBook Air despite being a lot thicker and more powerful.

The recent iPhones in particular bother me. What’s the point of being mostly thin if the camera lens sticks out and snags on things?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by thorum »

threeseed wrote: post #156
Reedx wrote: post #110

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That they removed MagSafe boggles the mind. The usability was objectively better than the replacement. You could easily plug it in even if blindfolded. And no problem when the cord got unexpectedly pulled or tripped on. Every time I plug in my new macbook I miss it.

USB-C is infinitely better than Magsafe. You can use any charger, use battery packs and any third party cable which means far more reliability and quality.

There are also magnetic adapters you can get for USB-C.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by [deleted] »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by asciimov »

interlocutor wrote: post #152

Apple used to be known for their amazing designs. That was when Steve was running the company. Since his death Apple has been in a free fall in the design space. Most of the comments here seem to be about their awful hardware design. Yes, the thin macbook is not very usable, and the Homepod which is shaped like an amorphous blob is uglier than any Bose speaker. But what about their software? Their UI design is super…

The problem is Jony Ive ran out of Dieter Rams designs to borrow from.
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