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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by skyyler »

doomlaser wrote: post #82
nextos wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left Apple years ago because of this. Extremes are never good. Hardware was getting thin and UI flat for the sake of looking pretty to the masses. And from what I see things got a bit worse. I actually prefer the aesthetics of early MacBook / MacBook Pro unibody and iPhone SE. And they were a pleasure to use. Good key travel and easy to hold with one hand, respectively. I hope there is a bit of function re-introduc…

My next Mac after my 2013 MacBook Pro finally kicks it will probably be a 2014-2015 MacBook Pro if I can find one. I was issued a brand new MacBook Pro for work and I hate it. Hate the Touch Bar and keyboard and only liked using it docked to a keyboard and external displays.

I'll sell you my currently unused 2015 MacBook Pro if you want it.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jedberg »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back.

Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen.

And if you're a semi-pro photographer, the lack of an SD card slot is terrible. And of course almost all accessories are still USB-A.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dang »

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #51
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

AMEN. I hope this jagoff's incredibly degrading influence on Apple's products can be reversed.

Would you please stop breaking the HN guidelines so we don't have to ban you again?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

#104

Post by urbanjunkie »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #56
abakker wrote: post #12

Genuine question: Who cares? I love design, and I love the engineering Apple has done, but, I've got to believe that Apple keep their aesthetic without keeping the same exact people. I think I would count this as a win for Apple - an opportunity to change the guard and give permission for some new designers to give a critical eye to the products they make. I would love to see them take maybe 1 or 2 steps back from mi…

It's not minimalism, it's poor minimalism. IMO Watch is just plain unattractive as a design object. Tinkering with the crown colour or the strap choices hasn't changed that. I keep waiting for it to be refined, so far not. I'm also not sold on the new(ish) font and flat UI style. They work, more or less, but there's something very bland about them. The big hits were game changers and were anything but bland - the ori…

You're pompous and yet irrelevant.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by PunksATawnyFill »

ceejayoz wrote: post #62
PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMEN. I hope this jagoff's incredibly degrading influence on Apple's products can be reversed.

Yeah, the designer of the iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, Macbook really tanked the company with those.

Yeah, the designer who shat out the worst keyboards on the market, which cripple $4000 computers... and then doubled down on the grossly defective design by putting condoms under every key.

This is after deleting a dozen useful keys and replacing them with an asinine and embarrassing emoji bar... again on a "pro" computer without even offering the option to get rid of it... and yet that option exists on the non-"pro" Air.

The designer who declared that you don't want more battery capacity in your mobile device, so users are carrying power bricks and wads of wire around with them and begging bartenders to plug their iPhones in, or crawling under tables in public places to do so.

The designer who removed headphone jacks from MEDIA-CENTRIC phones, phones that are supposed to provide access to streaming-media services and the future of Apple.

The designer who turned out a computer with, in effect, no I/O ports.

The designer who championed peek-a-boo UI and the idiotic "flat" look, where using software is now an Easter-egg hunt with many controls disguised as plain text and the states of others indistinguishable.

And I don't even care if he ripped off earlier designers. The real problem is that he has waged a war on USEFULNESS that has driven the mobile-phone market and computer markets BACKWARD.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by [deleted] »

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #66
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

How about decisions like removing the headphone jacks from the company's most popular music players, the very devices with which people are supposed consume the media-centric services that Tim Cook and analysts say are the future of Apple? For Apple's and consumers' sake, I hope NOT.

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

#107

Post by jedberg »

doomlaser wrote: post #82
nextos wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left Apple years ago because of this. Extremes are never good. Hardware was getting thin and UI flat for the sake of looking pretty to the masses. And from what I see things got a bit worse. I actually prefer the aesthetics of early MacBook / MacBook Pro unibody and iPhone SE. And they were a pleasure to use. Good key travel and easy to hold with one hand, respectively. I hope there is a bit of function re-introduc…

My next Mac after my 2013 MacBook Pro finally kicks it will probably be a 2014-2015 MacBook Pro if I can find one. I was issued a brand new MacBook Pro for work and I hate it. Hate the Touch Bar and keyboard and only liked using it docked to a keyboard and external displays.

I went 2011 to 2015 last year. Turns out it was really easy to find a 2015 refurb on Apple's store. But you should probably do it sooner than later, as they will get more rare the further out we get from 2015.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

#108

Post by fnord77 »

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

given their recent focus on being a services/media company, it wouldn't surprise me if they moved out of hardware entirely at some point in the future.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

#109

Post by burtmacklin »

jedberg wrote: post #102
mstade wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

woe, thy name is donglelyfe

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Reedx »

jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

That they removed MagSafe boggles the mind. The usability was objectively better than the replacement.

You could easily plug it in even if blindfolded. And no problem when the cord got unexpectedly pulled or tripped on.

Every time I plug in my new macbook I miss it.

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