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Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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The other tradeoff is you're giving Google an extraordinary amount of power to decide who is allowed and not allowed on your website with no transparency on how this decision was made. Not sure what company is willing to blindly trust Google with that power.

Plenty of small companies/private website owners might make a simple cost/benefit calculation - 15% less users but in return X reduced false accounts/traffic/...

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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You can view your reCaptcha V3 score here: https://recaptcha-demo.appspot.com/recaptcha-v3-request-scor... I get .7 on my iPhone, I’m guessing that my liberal use of Firefox containers and the cookie auto-delete extension on my desktop will give me a much lower score and cause me to have to jump through extra hoops at websites that implement it, just like the reCaptcha V2 does. Edit: I also got 0.7 on Firefox with st…

Using chrome on my phone I get 0.9, but if I switch to Firefox I get 0.1.

This is essentially going to let Google gatekeep the web if you aren't using their services.

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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Wouldn't reCaptcha V3 also make things much more difficult for Google competitors, assuming that site owners place it on every page? I'm guessing it will block any sort of scraper (since scraper access patterns don't look human) with some sort of whitelist for Google's scrapers.

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get a 0.7 on my computer on Firefox. If I use the same website in Chrome (which is signed into a Google account) I get a 0.9. I guess it's a [0,1] scale?

I'm guessing their a-listers came up with something like this: // TODO: add impressive-looking math if (signedin && trackedEverywhere) { return 0.9 } else { return 0.7 } I think we give Google way too much credit for their talent. This is the same company that didn't feel like finishing their website for two decades and subsequently stole $75 million from their users even when Google knew [1]. The same company that s…

Google consistently gives me the impression of a company that (I suppose) has tons of smart people in it, but has badly broken management & incentive structures leading them to constantly do bafflingly stupid stuff at both large and small scales, even by the standards of a bigcorp, to the point that they survive only because they've got one hell of a golden goose.

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

#37

There are a lot of sites that are totally unusable on Firefox regardless how much you use ff. I do all my mobile browsing on FF yet when I try to use some websites I always get this Recaptcha failed error(1) while it works flawlessly on chrome though I never use it often. Try it, maybe it will happen for you too. Same happens on most sites which show you that "checking your browser" page via cloudflare too. The web i…

I have the same experience, some pages don't work on FF but fine on Chrome. I like to apply Occam's Razor, but with so many users it seems to me as if that's either by design, or certainly there is little desire to fix the issue.

Worst part is my chrome installation is 100% fresh with no browsing history and FF has cookies and history older than an year ago.. still google trusts Chrome more than FF?

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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You can view your reCaptcha V3 score here: https://recaptcha-demo.appspot.com/recaptcha-v3-request-scor... I get .7 on my iPhone, I’m guessing that my liberal use of Firefox containers and the cookie auto-delete extension on my desktop will give me a much lower score and cause me to have to jump through extra hoops at websites that implement it, just like the reCaptcha V2 does. Edit: I also got 0.7 on Firefox with st…

Oscillates between 0.1 and 0.7 for me, and I'm changing nothing on my end (just hitting "Try again"). Does it have to do with refresh speed, I wonder? Privacy Badger and ABP on my work (less-locked-down) Mac.

Hitting the same URL over and over again is bot-like behaviour. When working with reCaptcha on forms I usually start getting hit after 4-5 test submissions.

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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You can view your reCaptcha V3 score here: https://recaptcha-demo.appspot.com/recaptcha-v3-request-scor... I get .7 on my iPhone, I’m guessing that my liberal use of Firefox containers and the cookie auto-delete extension on my desktop will give me a much lower score and cause me to have to jump through extra hoops at websites that implement it, just like the reCaptcha V2 does. Edit: I also got 0.7 on Firefox with st…

A consistent 0.3.

> error-codes": ["score-threshold-not-met"]

Not sure if happy or not happy with that. I will conclude happy enough.

Linux, on VPN, Firefox. Not logged into any Google services. Cleared caches (still same IP), no difference.

Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side

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You can view your reCaptcha V3 score here: https://recaptcha-demo.appspot.com/recaptcha-v3-request-scor... I get .7 on my iPhone, I’m guessing that my liberal use of Firefox containers and the cookie auto-delete extension on my desktop will give me a much lower score and cause me to have to jump through extra hoops at websites that implement it, just like the reCaptcha V2 does. Edit: I also got 0.7 on Firefox with st…

interesting my score is 0.9 if I allowed google to track me using cookies, if I block the cookies it goes to 0.7 and if I enable content blocking in Firefox it drops to 0.1
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