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Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#231

"It's not very straightforward to find where it's coming from, but we are working on it." This encapsulates the entire problem with the current state of digital advertising in 1 simple sentence.

It's like targeted advertising with a flash suppressor.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#232

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On android many links are open in a Webview (e.g. opening links on Gmail app) and many ads come through webviews inside apps themselves (e.g. some ads inside the youtube app itself)

You can install hostfile blocking on rooted android devices.

We need a solution that works for the average Joe, rooting devices don't fall in that category.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Not at all. In many ways since firefox has such a smaller market share you are significantly easier to identify than average.

This makes little sense. If the data collection capabilities are more restricted, how would one be easier to identify? Firefox has a significant market share still.

The absence of a data point is still an identifiable data point

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Which is why one of several things should happen. The first option is that there be legal requirements to adhere to public standards if you are a content distributor. And that any standards compliant client side software be allowed to use the service. In some areas we're in a world where your telephone carrier sells you your telephone, e.g. twitter, apple's imessage, etc. Other options would be that if you are a cont…

What kind of legal requirement can thwart a multinational corporation? The UN cannot enforce any laws, the only supra-national entity with this power is the EU (see GDPR). It's easier to just use Firefox with uBlock Origin, Cookie AutoDelete, etc etc.

The kind in which FBI agents show up at the homes of executives, board members, and senior management at 5:00am in the morning with guns and warrants.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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They could “solve” the issue by not having third party ads. Of all the sites on the internet, StackOverflow has the demographics that any advertiser would crave. How large of an inside ads sales force would you need to target higher than average income earners? How large reputable sites trust third party ad servers is a mystery to me. Besides, native ads that could be served from StackOverFlows own servers would be h…

That's just not how digital ad campaigns are run. Advertisers, agencies, media buyers and the rest of the supply chain don't negotiate with individual sites like that, not at any scale that can sustain a site like SO.

I thought Penny Arcade does bespoke ads. Rock Paper Shotgun used to do bespoke ads. I always found them million times more effective, and more trust-inspiring of both ad AND site, to me.

Is SO smaller business? Possible... just surprised.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Wait, it was listening in on the microphone too? Doesn’t that break wiretapping laws?

The parent is wrong. It's for fingerprinting your audio pipeline. Trying to record audio would result in a permissions prompt.

My bad! It didn’t even occur to me that this might just be audio output, not input.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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It doesn't work like that is what I'm saying. You dont just pitch those companies. They have layers of agencies (a master agency of record, creative agencies, media buying agencies) that handle all the advertising duties. These shops create and traffic these ad campaigns in demand-side platforms (DSPs) which connect and bid on inventory in adexchanges and supply-side platforms (SSPs). Then there's layers of targeting…

of course you pitch this way. you hire an inside sales guy who has personal relationships with c-level execs, and those execs make it happen because they're personally invested.

Make what happen exactly? C-level execs do not run ad campaigns. At most they'll defer to the CMO, who then just tells you to talk to their agency.

There are private marketplaces and other deals you can work out with agencies but this is usually for inventory against existing campaign RFPs, and comes with all of the typical creative requirements. They're not going to run an entirely custom campaign under your own terms and restrictions, not at any sustainable scale.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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It’s completely insane. Can you imagine a TV station receiving ads on tapes and playing them to their audience without looking at them first? Can you imagine TV stations occasionally showing ads containing porn, urging people to kill, showing extreme violence during cartoons, or containing specially crafted audio that blows out your speakers, and the TV station just shrugs and says they try their best to stop these t…

It’s worse than that. Imagine a TV ad which sends malicious code that gets executed to your television, which profiles the hardware in your TV and sends information about your viewing habits (tied to a unique ID) back to the advertiser. In any other context we would call this a security vulnerability. I think that label also applies here.

My Vizio's built-in software tries to do that. There's a reason it's not allowed to connect to wifi.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#239

Why can't Google come up with an AMP for ads? That will transpile a restricted javascript (or whatever) into a runtime that just doesn't do these things? This would get rid of the greasy ads, and Google could focus on making tools that allow site owners to filter by "features used in ad", and ad developers could actually return to delivering ads, rather than collecting fingerprints?

Here you go:

https://amp.dev/documentation/guides-and-tutorials/learn/int...

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#240

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of course you pitch this way. you hire an inside sales guy who has personal relationships with c-level execs, and those execs make it happen because they're personally invested.

It amazes me that people act like Enterprise sales isn’t a thing.

Advertising isn't enterprise sales.
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