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Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

Google control most mobile OSes, almost all of the web browser market, and have more or less taken over the web standards process.

They've already won.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#132

How We Make Money at Stack Overflow: 2016 Edition: Quality ads. "...we don’t want to use an automated system that selects some ads for us. We looked at this. It didn’t allow us the control we required to maintain the level of quality we want to maintain." How We Make Money at Stack Overflow: 2019 Edition: Taking money from Microsoft and Google fingerprinting our users 100+ ways source: https://stackoverflow.blog/2016…

Your options, as I see them.

1. Text based ads only (no third party js)

2. HTML based ads but no js (run it through DOMPurify https://github.com/cure53/DOMPurify)

3. Look for a js sandbox -- this _will_ break arbitrary js, will not be supported in all browsers, and will require dev work on your side:

  * Google Caja  https://github.com/google/caja

  * MentalJS  https://github.com/hackvertor/MentalJS
other options are available as well, in varying levels of maturity and support.

I think using a sandbox iframe is not going to be able to defeat browser fingerprinting, because the sandbox control options are not rich enough. You would need to block all JS.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#133
Why can't Google come up with an AMP for ads? That will transpile a restricted javascript (or whatever) into a runtime that just doesn't do these things?

This would get rid of the greasy ads, and Google could focus on making tools that allow site owners to filter by "features used in ad", and ad developers could actually return to delivering ads, rather than collecting fingerprints?

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#134

And this is why, even with the best intentions of site operators, my browser will continue to use the best ad-block tools I can get, and my networks will be protected by tools like PiHole.

This seems melodramatic for something as trivial as an audio request.

Arbitrary code execution isnt really that trivial.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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I think ad blocking is a misnomer. What people are trying to do when blocking ads is prevent marketing people from spying on them. And the performance and resource consumption that comes from that. Personal opinion: Laws are needed to make what advertisers are doing illegal. Advertisers are spying on people to the extent where if the government did it they'd need a warrant.

I'm only mildly bothered by the tracking, since it seems so inaccurate, but the ads themselves always drive me to adblockers. Taboola were running pictures of rotten teeth for a while which was intolerable; Youtube ads are often louder than the videos.

Web tracking data gets combined with your real life digital breadcrumbs collected by the data aggregators. Their profiles of you are extremely accurate.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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This seems melodramatic for something as trivial as an audio request.

Arbitrary code execution isnt really that trivial.

Arbitrary javascript execution is generally meaningless. Very rarely you'll get a zero-day or something, or maybe a site will use too much battery when focused.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

Is there an ad blocker that interrupts/blocks your profile (the data that would normally be sent to the ad company), lets you edit/alter it, and allow the resultant profile to be sent to the ad company? As a consumer, I prefer relevant ads to irrelevant ads, and I might even prefer very relevant ads to no ads, but I don't want the ad companies to know stuff about me that isn't okay with me.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

#139

And this is why, even with the best intentions of site operators, my browser will continue to use the best ad-block tools I can get, and my networks will be protected by tools like PiHole.

This seems melodramatic for something as trivial as an audio request.

It’s incredibly disrespectful. Nobody wants some random ad listening to their microphone. That they’re trying it anyway indicates that they’re hoping to get some people with browsers that don’t block it, or trick some people into saying yes.

It’s not harmful, as long as you’re not one of the people who gets tricked. But it does indicate that they want to do you harm, and try to. That they failed doesn’t make it all better.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

Tracking is more than just ads. A website owner wants to know who his visitors are. Where they come from. Which devices they use. Maybe he can support an other language, optimize for other devices, offer deals for a group of customers. But he doesn't want the risk to be fined by GDPR, so he skipps all this. Less optimisation, less/worse contacts - everybody lose.
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