I would love for this to be illegal.
Thank God we live don't live in a direct democracy
Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
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#82Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.
Adsense is just going to start providing content for you to inline into your site. Kind of like how https://old.reddit.com/r/gaming/ is just a sequence of ads being flawlessly delivered to an ad-averse demographic that eats the ads up.
I find it outright puzzling that CDN edge servers have not morphed into ad splicers yet, that business seems so obvious to me. The closest to a "guessplanation" I can come up with for is not happening is that there might be trust issues (overreporting/underreporting impressions) in the triangle of publisher, ad-network and CDN/ad-splicer. But I'm not convinced at all that this would outweigh the anti add-blocker advantages.
Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think ad blocking is a misnomer. What people are trying to do when blocking ads is prevent marketing people from spying on them. And the performance and resource consumption that comes from that. Personal opinion: Laws are needed to make what advertisers are doing illegal. Advertisers are spying on people to the extent where if the government did it they'd need a warrant.
I disagree. The tech crowd is using adblockers to prevent spying and resource consumption. But majority of people running adblockers just don't want to see ads.
That doesn't mean the side-effect of most people avoiding spying at the same time is somehow an unwanted one.
I think most can agree here this level of spying on users is bad. Its sorta like child labor but a lot less obviously bad, in that it is obviously bad, nobody likes it, but there's enough taking advantage of it not being illegal, so its just socially tolerated thing. But once made illegal it will be looked back on like "how the hell did we think that was okay? how the hell did we willingly let it occur?"
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
And as a fun fact networking timing fingerprinting attacks and work even if you don't have JavaScript enabled and I have been able to make a PoC that was very accurate (I did not release it but I did disclose some bits to relevant parties)
I hope "relevant parties" includes "browser vendors" and not "adtech companies" :)
Yes of course, browser and OS vendors.
Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
#85I just wanted to chime in from Stack Overflow here and let people know: we are aware of the issue. And we're NOT okay with it. We're trying to sort out how to kill the audio behavior now. It's not very straightforward to find where it's coming from, but we are working on it. We've also reached out to Google for their assistance in tracking it down. If anyone can offer advice, we'll more than happily take it. - Nick C…
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Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
#86I just wanted to chime in from Stack Overflow here and let people know: we are aware of the issue. And we're NOT okay with it. We're trying to sort out how to kill the audio behavior now. It's not very straightforward to find where it's coming from, but we are working on it. We've also reached out to Google for their assistance in tracking it down. If anyone can offer advice, we'll more than happily take it. - Nick C…
Why are you allowing arbitrary javascript to be served to your users?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you disagreeing with the person you replied to? Your tone suggests that you are, but the content of your post seems to being agreeing.
I disagree that most people use ad blockers because they “don’t want to see [any] ads.” Meaning, if advertisers hadn’t built more and more intrusive ads and had stuck with static ads that don’t severely harm the UX, then I doubt most users would bother with ad blockers.
Yeah no one would care about magazine style ads with an ordinary click through link. Especially if clicking resulting something useful instead of being the browsing equivalent of jumping into a dumpster fire.
The advertiser arms race has resulted in a classic tragedy of the commons. That's my diagnosis of the problem. Traditionally regulation is needed to fix that. Exactly what that entails is beyond me.
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#88I wonder if the top brass at alphabet ever worry that their trillion dollar empire is based on fragile foundations like web audio fingerprinting, etc. that sure would keep me up at night. obviously, i know google does more, but it seems like a large chunk of their revenue must be dependent on shady technical tricks like these working.
They realized it was a risk so they built their own browser to have more control. And it worked. Only now, users are wising up and moving to Firefox.
Is firefox less fingerprintable?
Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
And as a fun fact networking timing fingerprinting attacks and work even if you don't have JavaScript enabled and I have been able to make a PoC that was very accurate (I did not release it but I did disclose some bits to relevant parties)
I hope "relevant parties" includes "browser vendors" and not "adtech companies" :)
Which one is Google?
Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?
#90I just wanted to chime in from Stack Overflow here and let people know: we are aware of the issue. And we're NOT okay with it. We're trying to sort out how to kill the audio behavior now. It's not very straightforward to find where it's coming from, but we are working on it. We've also reached out to Google for their assistance in tracking it down. If anyone can offer advice, we'll more than happily take it. - Nick C…
The solution is so simple: turn off ads.
Seems like you're perfectly okay with this as long as the Satanic ad revenue keeps flowing in.