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Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by dkhenry » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:25 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #37

So you mean Fox News?

I have found those who have bought the most into disinformation are those who have completely vilified the "others", while I would like to say most of those people are the one's who consume Fox News unquestionably most of the people are getting their news from social media such as Facebook and Reddit.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by gambler » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

Every time I read about some new clever way to fight "fake news" I ask the same question. Can this method be used to reinforce any arbitrarily chosen agenda or does it work because there is something fundamentally wrong with the information it targets?

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by khawkins » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:28 PM UTC

"Fake news" isn't the problem, it's the symptom of a mainstream media landscape which has sacrificed its credibility for partisanship, activism, and sensationalism. People are willing to believe new sources because they don't know who to trust.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by dymk » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:28 PM UTC

cameronbrown wrote: post #39

r00fus wrote: post #37

So you mean Fox News?

Every major network pushes their own narrative. I wouldn't single Fox News out at all.

"Both sides do it!" is a really unconvincing argument.

Watch an hour of prime-time CNN and prime-time Fox News, and it's obvious that Fox is more willing to stretch the truth, mislead watchers, and spread FUD.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by 13415 » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:28 PM UTC

cameronbrown wrote: post #39

r00fus wrote: post #37

So you mean Fox News?

Every major network pushes their own narrative. I wouldn't single Fox News out at all.

If you're talking about US TV you might have a point, but I wouldn't say that Fox News meets European standards. Especially their interviews are sometimes plain demagogic and not information-seeking at all.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by ddingus » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:31 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #37

So you mean Fox News?

The other majors are doing it too. The topic may change, but those techniques are in wide use by the major media conglomerates.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by ddingus » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:31 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #44

cameronbrown wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every major network pushes their own narrative. I wouldn't single Fox News out at all.

"Both sides do it!" is a really unconvincing argument. Watch an hour of prime-time CNN and prime-time Fox News, and it's obvious that Fox is more willing to stretch the truth, mislead watchers, and spread FUD.

So, a little nicer misinformation is OK?

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by eanzenberg » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:31 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #35

The "best" fake news these days is the stuff that doesn't register even to people are read-in on the usual anti-patterns. Subtle framing, selective quotation, anonymous sources, "repeat the lie" techniques, and so on, are the ones that I see happening today that are hard to immunize yourself from. Ironically, the people who fall for these are more likely to self-identify as being aware and clued in on how to avoid fa…

Precisely, the subtle "bias" in traditional news is extremely powerful to pull mindshare this way or that. It's not tabloid level shit like spacemen are coming to get you, but wrapped as trustworthy articles vetted by sources, studies or science.

Re: ‘Pre-bunk’ game reduces susceptibility to disinformation

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Post by deogeo » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:32 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #35

The "best" fake news these days is the stuff that doesn't register even to people are read-in on the usual anti-patterns. Subtle framing, selective quotation, anonymous sources, "repeat the lie" techniques, and so on, are the ones that I see happening today that are hard to immunize yourself from. Ironically, the people who fall for these are more likely to self-identify as being aware and clued in on how to avoid fa…

Second best. The best is selective reporting. Even if every story is reported 100% accurately and objectively, by choosing which stories are promoted, and which buried, you can set any agenda you want.

Edit: See https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2019/05/Causes-of-death-i... for an example.