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Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by IndustrialRev4 »

Here we have some impressive fruit from the labor of people from one of the only subgroups of the cryptocurrency industry that gives a shit about the 4th industrial revolution, the internet of money, digital cash, new enterprise, dis-aggregating the incumbent behemoths, empowering the individual, restoring informational and economic sovereignty...

...and the trolls pile in to shit on it, insult its supporters, and argue semantics about the name.

Grow up you myopic trolls. Bitcoin is a system, not a ticker symbol. Bitcoin SV is node implementation of the original system.

You won't achieve anything from the original idea of Bitcoin if you don't allow innovation to thrive. BTC cannot achieve what Bitcoin set out to achieve, so let the others who still believe in Bitcoin have a shot.

And please, stop acting like radical cult members.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by mrsnuffy »

ujal wrote: post #86

Are there similar projects for the Ethereum blockchain? Imagine a censorship resistant Darknet.

Bitcoin (SV) is also going to make blockchains like Ethereum redundant.

Bitcoin can do all the things people typically go to Ethereum for, smart contracts, token, 'on chain computation, etc. Bitcoin can do them even better.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by ghostpepper »

PowerfulWizard wrote: post #46
onion-soup wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It lives as a transaction output under op code 'OP_RETURN'. See example of weather data stored on chain https://whatsonchain.com/tx/6dac238576e9778458bb62a2f7d936fd... >are there fees to host this data (as we need to pay miners to include data in a block)? Yes, current fees are about 1 sat/byte. This is really a write once, read many type of system.

So it will be roughly $115 USD per megabyte? (1% of a BTC). High, but at least you get a 10000x replication factor.

I can see use cases where this would be worthwhile.

Not so much for backing up your photo collection, but more along the lines of publishing some textual information that someone powerful does not want published. It could even potentially function as a sort of notary service.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by justforyou »

Tallsaint wrote: post #100

This runs on the original bitcoin protocol (SV). Bitcoin core (BTC) has been systematically dismantled and destroyed by the federal reserve who funds the bitcoin core development team. The software you are viewing is brilliant. It is the beginning of things that will fundamentally change the way payments are performed in the next few years. Well done, congrats and thank you.

>>> Bitcoin core (BTC) has been systematically dismantled and destroyed by the federal reserve who funds the bitcoin core development team.

Do you have any sources to support that assertion?

>>> The software you are viewing is brilliant. It is the beginning of things that will fundamentally change the way payments are performed in the next few years.

POCs showing content stored in blockchain currencies have been floating around for quite some time now.

Where has everybody in this thread been for the past decade?

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by kinghajj »

onion-soup wrote: post #96
kinghajj wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for an early hard fork due to a transaction verification bug that allowed for infinite Bitcoins to be created, the main Bitcoin chain, as implemented by the Bitcoin Core client, has never forked, to my knowledge. It also seems disingenuous to claim that it doesn't resemble the original protocol, when the block size cap that the forks adjust, was put into place by Satoshi himself.

Bitcoin core altered the protocol by removing instant transactions and adding segwit. So it’s not bitcoin anymore

"Removing instant transactions?" Do you mean "the GUI shows 0-conf transactions as pending?" And why does adding Segwit make it "not bitcoin anymore"? Further, the Bitcoin Core devs didn't alter the protocol, the miners and users did by using the voting mechanism to enable Segwit, entirely of their own volition.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by apo »

mrsnuffy wrote: post #117
apo wrote: post #69

Highly misleading. This runs on an alternative network called Bitcoin SV. It's most definitely not Bitcoin, but a fork of a fork of a fork. Amusing really, because the "SV" stands for Satoshi's vision. The founder, Craig Wright has been bamboozling people for a long time with his nonsense. It's so long ago that most have forgotten, but the real Satoshi weighed in on a pretty heated argument about whether the Bitcoin…

Bitcoin SV is most definitely bitcoin. It is simply the original bitcoin protocol, ie. with all the stupid things that were added to "BTC" since 2009 removed. ... that makes it infinitely scalable and useful like bitcoin was supposed to be, not just for money, for data storage, and for computation. No Segwit No RBF No block size limit No limits on scripts or data sizes BTC is useless in comparison... and the 'ad homi…

> It is simply the original bitcoin protocol, ie. with all the stupid things that were added to "BTC" since 2009 removed.

Bitcoin SV clearly introduced many changes. But those changes are backward-incompatible for Bitcoin nodes, meaning that every one of them will reject an SV block.

It really doesn't matter what you think about the wisdom of what was added since 2009. All that matters is that Bitcoin nodes will ignore the blocks.

Experimentation is all well and good. But fringe groups breaking the protocol willy-nilly then claiming the result as Bitcoin is misleading at best.

That's what I was pointing out. It's a tactic used repeatedly by SV advocates including Wright. His involvement is relevant given the extraordinary nature of his claims and the deliberately misleading nature of his proof.

> No Segwit No RBF No block size limit No limits on scripts or data sizes

Scaling is so very easy when users are scarce.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by chachachoney »

apo wrote: post #69

Highly misleading. This runs on an alternative network called Bitcoin SV. It's most definitely not Bitcoin, but a fork of a fork of a fork. Amusing really, because the "SV" stands for Satoshi's vision. The founder, Craig Wright has been bamboozling people for a long time with his nonsense. It's so long ago that most have forgotten, but the real Satoshi weighed in on a pretty heated argument about whether the Bitcoin…

> I would take this project in the same spirit. Someone created a block chain and network for mass data storage. At least that's the goal. The result is what you see, but it's not Bitcoin.

Truth.

Looks like the astroturfing cultist invasion has already started.

Interesting exercise for the community:

Cross reference any post in this thread making hyperbolic assertions or expressing wildly optimistic sentiments -- with account creation or a clear lack of activity elsewhere on the forum, and spend karma accordingly.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by chachachoney »

nivexous wrote: post #67
phaser wrote: post #49

Please note this is hosted on the BitcoinSV (BSV) network, which is not the same as the Bitcoin network that we all know as BTC. BitcoinSV has much bigger blocks than Bitcoin, which is probably why this idea is possible. While the same idea could be applied for the original Bitcoin network, that is far more popular, it would be highly impractical as blocks are smaller and transaction costs are higher. I don't want to…

I'm reminded of a question Peter Thiel asks founders: What is one thing you believe that nearly everybody else disagrees with you on? Having a good answer means you might be onto something big. Everyone building on BSV has a pretty good answer right now.

> Having a good answer means you might be onto something big.

Or you might be delusional. Strikes me more as a clever sounding phrase than a useful maxim. ;)

The ideas being built on BSV are as interesting (and quite so) as the ideas being built on a myriad of other blockchain projects.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by ltworld »

Dense_Body wrote: post #61
shilch wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the word "Bitcoin" used here refers to the protocol that the browser builds on, and not the chain commonly known as Bitcoin which has BTC as base asset. Bottle is not limited to BSV but could as well be run on other chains implementing the Bitcoin core protocol such as BTC, BCH, LTC and Doge.

You are correct but it actually could not be run on BTC or BCH because of changes that were made to them that make them incompatible with the design laid out in the protocol whitepaper. It also would be prohibitively expensive to do so due to the block size limitations they have in place.

Yes and also, BTC and BCH don't have a "Stable Protocol" Mindset, OnChain Developer Apps will get Their Apps and Tools fked up every time the Core Protocol Changes.

Aside from the lack of infrastructure, in BTC they already abandon the miner, The money that should be Goes to Miner for securing the chain, it goes to the Lightning Network Node.

When block reward diminished it'll fked up, they cannot survive with such low income from LN.

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