Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

I'm not sure which way you're going with that comment. Ravelry seems to be saying "we are polite company, keep your politics off our knitting site, thx". If anything, it's de-politicisation.

Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

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Post by InvaderFizz » Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #5

wil999 wrote: post #4

Another example of the politicisation of everything.... I remember a time when politics was not discussed in polite company.

I'm not sure which way you're going with that comment. Ravelry seems to be saying "we are polite company, keep your politics off our knitting site, thx". If anything, it's de-politicisation.

Did I miss something? The linked article looks to me to say that Pro-Trump views are not allowed to be expressed. Not that politics has no place in their community.

If anything this is escalating the problem by silencing the opposition and further entrenching both sides.

Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

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Post by eesmith » Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

InvaderFizz wrote: post #6

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which way you're going with that comment. Ravelry seems to be saying "we are polite company, keep your politics off our knitting site, thx". If anything, it's de-politicisation.

Did I miss something? The linked article looks to me to say that Pro-Trump views are not allowed to be expressed. Not that politics has no place in their community. If anything this is escalating the problem by silencing the opposition and further entrenching both sides.

Escalating what problem?

Their policy is at https://www.ravelry.com/content/no-trump .

Their argument is "We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy."

So by "both sides" it seems like you mean the one side in favor of white supremacy, and the other side not in favor of white supremacy?

Why should a knitting site allow support for open white supremacy?

Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #7

InvaderFizz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I miss something? The linked article looks to me to say that Pro-Trump views are not allowed to be expressed. Not that politics has no place in their community. If anything this is escalating the problem by silencing the opposition and further entrenching both sides.

Escalating what problem? Their policy is at https://www.ravelry.com/content/no-trump . Their argument is "We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy." So by "both sides" it seems like you mean the one side in favor of white supremacy, and the other side not in favor of white supremacy…

That's a bit of a mental leap. I'm no fan of the guy at all but saying that support for Trump == support for white supremacy simply isn't true. If their issue is with white supremacy why not ban that specifically?

Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

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Post by eesmith » Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

wil999 wrote: post #4

Another example of the politicisation of everything.... I remember a time when politics was not discussed in polite company.

When was this time? Who were the people who followed this practice?

Isn't this policy inherently conservative, in that it ignores any desire for political change?

Does it mean that the abolitionists and suffragettes were not polite? Because they sometimes were not. It's part of how they got change.

Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content

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Post by InvaderFizz » Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 10:47 AM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #7

InvaderFizz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I miss something? The linked article looks to me to say that Pro-Trump views are not allowed to be expressed. Not that politics has no place in their community. If anything this is escalating the problem by silencing the opposition and further entrenching both sides.

Escalating what problem? Their policy is at https://www.ravelry.com/content/no-trump . Their argument is "We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy." So by "both sides" it seems like you mean the one side in favor of white supremacy, and the other side not in favor of white supremacy…

If your view is that the 60+ million Americans that voted for Trump are, in fact, really voting for white supremacy then we aren't even living in the same reality and any further discussion is completely pointless.

It really hurts any credibility someone may have granted you in a conversation when you ascribe to one side of a discussion a world view that is condemned by the vast majority of that side.