Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
Quotated, but not attributed?
Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
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Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might have ethical implications considering how much worse chicken lives are than cows lives and how many more chickens you need to kill per calorie.
Inaction will lead to climate change killing millions of humans. If someone won't consider eating vegetarian more often, switching to chicken is far better from an ethical standpoint than doing nothing.
People killed by climate change 250,000/year
Assuming switching to chicken reduces carbon by 12%, assuming carbon responsible for 250,000 death then meat consumption is responsible 30,000 ppl/year
Number of cows in u.s. 30,000,000 for 3% of global market
US market responsible for 900 deaths / year 140 chickens / cow(calorie wise)
estimated 20 years of life lost per death
18,000 QALY for 4.1 billion more chickens
Rough estimate of 2.3 minutes of human life gained per chicken raised
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> With that said, I don't emit that much (all things considered) Cool, how much? IIRC, sustainability would require an individual average below 2 teqCO2/year. > Besides, would money not be better spent curing cancer? Look at what the world would look like if climate change is not prevented: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what-the-world-will-look-l... . Think of the consequences in famines (whole countries transfor…
Dividing household total (according to the EPA calculator: https://www3.epa.gov/carbon-footprint-calculator/ ) number of people, about 5.7 tons/person/yr. This is less than the American average. This is also considering that people in said household are required to drive long distances for work (I'm talking 300-mile distances several times per month). We do, however, drive mostly diesel. None of us are willing to giv…
I read this comment yesterday and I keep coming back to it because it depresses me at a fundamental level. "I don't wanna change and even if I was going to I reckon _they_ wouldn't so I still won't" is the tragedy of the commons yes. But that's not a _defence_ of your actions, it's an admission of your culpability.
The "I'm not in denial, I'm just denying the science" is just cream on the top.
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
> privileged people I don't eat a ton of beef, but no, beef is relatively affordable (at least in America). But I do eat a lot more chicken, and not a ton of beef. With that said, I want a good steak once every few months and a burger once a week. More importantly, I don't want the government saying "thou shalt" about my beef consumption, nor do I want people finger-wagging at me about it. America can sustainably rai…
> With that said, I don't emit that much (all things considered) Cool, how much? IIRC, sustainability would require an individual average below 2 teqCO2/year. > Besides, would money not be better spent curing cancer? Look at what the world would look like if climate change is not prevented: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what-the-world-will-look-l... . Think of the consequences in famines (whole countries transfor…
You repeatedly crossed into personal attack in this thread. That's not ok, regardless of how right you are. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended when posting here?
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#245Telling a lie then saying 3 Hail Marys means you are forgiven for the lie, it doesn't fix the lie. As such, planting a tree to be forgiven for going on a flight that burns carbon-laden jet fuel doesn't fix what you did. Fossil fuels are excess carbon atoms sequestered safely deep inside the Earth. Unless you can find a way to put them back there, there's no fixing the situation. Planting a tree does capture carbon. H…
> The only way this is happening is if the planet gets depopulated of humans rapidly. Please don't tell me you're one of those "earth would be better of were we all dead" people. I can't stand that kind of post-modernist, nihilistic garbage. I'm not mister optimist, but still, that's way too far. Also, that kind of rhetoric is going to end up being a justification for some one very evil doing some thing very bad. > T…
Would you please not take HN threads into generic ideological flamewar? I feel like we've had this conversation with you many times already. It's not what this site is for, so please stop.
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#246In other news, China poured more concrete between 2011 and 2013 than the US did in the entire 20th century.
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#247Is there an ordered list of what produces most pollution? What's at the top? Is there an easy way to answer the question "I just did environmentally bad thing X, now what can I do to offset that?"
If you are talking about personal CO2 imprint, then here you go: http://www.kimnicholas.com/uploads/2/5/7/6/25766487/fig1full...
Re: Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Inaction will lead to climate change killing millions of humans. If someone won't consider eating vegetarian more often, switching to chicken is far better from an ethical standpoint than doing nothing.
People killed by climate change 250,000/year Assuming switching to chicken reduces carbon by 12%, assuming carbon responsible for 250,000 death then meat consumption is responsible 30,000 ppl/year Number of cows in u.s. 30,000,000 for 3% of global market US market responsible for 900 deaths / year 140 chickens / cow(calorie wise) estimated 20 years of life lost per death 18,000 QALY for 4.1 billion more chickens Roug…
Thanks for doing that calculation. I really appreciate that you put in that much work.
> People killed by climate change 250,000/year
Is that a current number? Or a projection of what might happen with 2 degree or 4 degree Celsius increase in temperature?
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