Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

mercurynews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 159 posts

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#141

Post by Cookingboy »

wcoenen wrote: post #112
Cookingboy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…

> Tesla is literally the only driver assist system that has a fatality count Uber had a fatal self-driving accident.

Uber isn't selling their self-driving system to anyone, precisely because they know it's not safe and reliable yet.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#142

Post by elisharobinson »

Quanttek wrote: post #123
elisharobinson wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the paragraph above it clearly states that the users are trained on how to engage and disengage the system. If consumers have a good understanding of the system and still feel that it is better than the competition how can it be an issue of mislabelling

Your comment is very misleading. You are referring to a statement by a *Tesla spokesperson: > “Tesla provides owners with clear guidance on how to properly use Autopilot, as well as in-car instructions before they use the system and while the feature is in use,” a Tesla spokeswoman said Friday. “If a Tesla vehicle detects that a driver is not engaged while Autopilot is in use, the driver is prohibited from using it f…

so are they not providing the training ?? and if they are not i would accept my comments to be missleading.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#143

Post by natch »

Cookingboy wrote: post #141
wcoenen wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla is literally the only driver assist system that has a fatality count Uber had a fatal self-driving accident.

Uber isn't selling their self-driving system to anyone, precisely because they know it's not safe and reliable yet.

...and, goalposts moved.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#144

Post by natch »

stevesimmons wrote: post #104
natch wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Not a promise by any understanding of the word. He’s just saying what he thinks.

He's not some random person. He's the CEO and driving force behind a company that is investing billions in getting to FSD. If he "thinks" it is achievable with that short timeframe, he must have a project plan with milestones being predictably achieved in accordance with that schedule. If instead there's no such plan, or the progress is not in line with prior internal expectations, he doesn't "think" it is achievable…

He said very clearly what he thinks is achievable. Full self driving in dev vehicles. No argument there. The OP was extrapolating this to other levels. What exactly do you have an issue with?

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#145

Post by natch »

robertAngst wrote: post #118
Cookingboy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…

I can confirm I have seen Elon and Tesla Marketing do 'horrible' things. Its one of the least ethical mainstream companies. If I could warn anyone, I found our fellow 'highly educated' nerds, fall for marketing, similar to how we see the uneducated masses fall for populist politicians. I believe this is because these 'nerds', don't work in automotive and have limited understanding of 2019 automotive technology.

People also have limited reading and listening skills. They overlook context, caveats, and weasel words and their brains add in levels of certainty and promises that simply aren’t there in the original statements. Blame the people doing the misinterpretation, not the people who made very clear but nuanced statements about possible future developments.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#146

Post by pbreit »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #105
pbreit wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's OK but they have to tell you not to.

It’s “Ok” until you’re involved in a fatal accident and Tesla blames you for not having your hands on the wheel. Doesn’t matter that Elon himself has demoed it hands off, each of the autopilot fatalities was the fault of the driver.

Did you know there are 1.5 million auto-related deaths per year around the world. And in 7 years around 23 associated with Teslas? And none of the autopilot accidents affecting other people?

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#147

Post by mulmen »

makomk wrote: post #113
mulmen wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right so any time a computer can take over is a good thing because computers don’t get bored.

That doesn't follow, because making the human supervise the computer as it takes over rather than actively participating increases the risk of them getting bored and losing attention.

Do we know that though? Is a distracted auto pilot driver more dangerous than the average person in a car without any aids?

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#148

Post by mulmen »

mattkrause wrote: post #115
mulmen wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right so any time a computer can take over is a good thing because computers don’t get bored.

Not always. The computer focuses better, but isn’t yet as capable. When things get dicey and the computer abruptly hands control back to a zoned-out human, they won’t have the same situational awareness as if they had been driving all along. OTOH, driving also tires humans out, which leads to errors and accidents too. Figuring out the right balance is non-trivial.

Maybe. It may be the case as other commenters in this thread have said that the automation actually lets them prepare for unexpected events more than normal because it handles the mundane steering and speed adjustments.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#149

Post by sangnoir »

Shivetya wrote: post #130
m463 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would even say sometimes it checks too much. I've driven, actively looking ahead at the road, and then it will beep because I ignored the prompt on the dashboard (below the wheel). The prompt is white at the top of the dashboard and is a white gradient, that looks like glare on the dash. I don't know how these people fall asleep behind the wheel unless they've done something that mimics an active hand on the wheel.…

I have had this happen to but it only goes to emphasize just how much we tune out during long drives. My use of autopilot is to have the equivalent of a back seat driver or co-pilot who is just a bit paranoid. Zoning out is something the AP system won't do but drivers can do. I look at it this way, how many have been driving on a long trip only to glance in the rear view mirror and see a bridge behind you that you do…

> I look at it this way, how many have been driving on a long trip only to glance in the rear view mirror and see a bridge behind you that you do not truly remember driving under?

Attention and memory formation/retention are not the same thing. The mind tends to discard detailed memories of routine tasks that have been mastered. If I ask you to tie your laces, would you remember which hand touched the laces first? It doesn't mean you weren't paying attention - only that it wasn't memorable.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

#150

Post by m463 »

sangnoir wrote: post #149
Shivetya wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have had this happen to but it only goes to emphasize just how much we tune out during long drives. My use of autopilot is to have the equivalent of a back seat driver or co-pilot who is just a bit paranoid. Zoning out is something the AP system won't do but drivers can do. I look at it this way, how many have been driving on a long trip only to glance in the rear view mirror and see a bridge behind you that you do…

> I look at it this way, how many have been driving on a long trip only to glance in the rear view mirror and see a bridge behind you that you do not truly remember driving under? Attention and memory formation/retention are not the same thing. The mind tends to discard detailed memories of routine tasks that have been mastered. If I ask you to tie your laces, would you remember which hand touched the laces first? It…

That's an interesting thought. I will say that non-memorable is not the same as non-important. "Did I drive under a bridge" isn't the same as "did I leave the oven turned on" or "did I lock the front door".
Post reply on HN