Off when a technology promise too much but cannot deliver without constantly monitoring. You feel like forming an autistic taxi driver.
Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Tesla is making progress, and regardless of whether they survive these various courts of public opinion, they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They're also wilfully misrepresenting the quality and safety of their technology to their customers, presenting intentionally misleading statistics to the media about it, and attempt…
If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…
> Tesla is literally the only driver assist system that has a fatality count
Uber had a fatal self-driving accident.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving a car is absolutely the most dangerous activity most people regularly participate in. I don't think you're saying anything controversial there.
Right so any time a computer can take over is a good thing because computers don’t get bored.
That doesn't follow, because making the human supervise the computer as it takes over rather than actively participating increases the risk of them getting bored and losing attention.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…
Tesla recently did an accidents/mile comparison of their own cars with Autopilot engaged vs not engaged and found a noticeable decrease in accident rates for Autopilot driving compared to manual driving. Some of that difference could be accounted for in the types of miles customers choose to activate autopilot on vs drive manually, but it's certainly a positive sign.
Births in hospitals have, on average, more complications than births at home. But not because births at home are inherently better, but rather because protentially complicated births are done at hospitals do be able to better care for mother and child.
People use Teslas cruise control in inherently safer situations. A proper comparison would compare identical road s - and would be done by a neutral body not involved with Tesla.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving a car is absolutely the most dangerous activity most people regularly participate in. I don't think you're saying anything controversial there.
Right so any time a computer can take over is a good thing because computers don’t get bored.
Not always.
The computer focuses better, but isn’t yet as capable. When things get dicey and the computer abruptly hands control back to a zoned-out human, they won’t have the same situational awareness as if they had been driving all along. OTOH, driving also tires humans out, which leads to errors and accidents too.
Figuring out the right balance is non-trivial.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer. When I'm trying to figure out which of two really vocal, opposed camps might be more right on some issue, I look for the really hyperbolic statements that are easily refuted but still repeated. 2016: A Tesla's Forward Collision Warning System warns the driver about an impending collision he can't even see yet and starts…
You'll find that indeed most manufacturers offer AEB, forward and rear collision avoidance, many of them offering side collision detection. Subaru, Volvo, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes, for ones I know for a fact. I'm more unsure as to why you think other manufacturers don't do these things.
Someone who hasn't bought a new car in the last couple of years probably wouldn't be aware of these features. Also for some reason car dealers, at least in the US where I've been buying cars recently, don't seem to highlight these features too much. Perhaps because they're not a way for the dealer to make more money. It can also be quite hard in my experience to get a straight story on exactly what the safety capabilities of a given car are. E.g. will it just warn of an impending collision or activate the brakes? Does it drive the steering system on lane departure or just warn? When buying a car recently for my new driver son to drive I had to pretty much try driving it into things to verify the features were implemented as expected and in one case (active steering on lane departure) I didn't know the car had the feature until after taking delivery.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#117I know that the name is a good one, but 'Autopilot' is a troublesome name. I think a better way forward would be to do something fun with the 'Autopilot' name, e.g.: "Zanzibar (formerly known as Autopilot)" Nobody need know what "Zanzibar" actually is other than some place a long way from California. You could easily talk about your Tesla to a non-owner saying 'yeah, it's got Zanzibar...' or to a fellow owner 'did yo…
I'm confused why there is such a dissonance on the definition of "autopilot." Most people are fully aware that commercial planes have at least one human pilot in addition to an "autopilot," and I think the passengers on the plane would be very unwilling to fly if the human pilots weren't present. "chauffeur" seems like it would be misleading for partial self-driving software, but "autopilot" seems spot on: helpful, b…
Yes but it is a battle they have lost. Sometimes common sense does not prevail. Particularly in the media.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Tesla is making progress, and regardless of whether they survive these various courts of public opinion, they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They're also wilfully misrepresenting the quality and safety of their technology to their customers, presenting intentionally misleading statistics to the media about it, and attempt…
If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…
I can confirm I have seen Elon and Tesla Marketing do 'horrible' things. Its one of the least ethical mainstream companies.
If I could warn anyone, I found our fellow 'highly educated' nerds, fall for marketing, similar to how we see the uneducated masses fall for populist politicians. I believe this is because these 'nerds', don't work in automotive and have limited understanding of 2019 automotive technology.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#119>> If IIHS is opposed to the name ‘Autopilot,’ presumably they are equally opposed to the name ‘Automobile.
My best attempt to understand this cryptic comment is as saying that Tesla intends "Autopilot" to mean a system for "piloting" an "automobile", unrelated to the common use of the word in aviation, where it's an "automated pilot(ing system)".
Even if that is the case, they should be aware of the potential for confusion with "automated pilot" and for the risk that this confusion entails.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#120>> If IIHS is opposed to the name ‘Autopilot,’ presumably they are equally opposed to the name ‘Automobile. My best attempt to understand this cryptic comment is as saying that Tesla intends "Autopilot" to mean a system for "piloting" an "automobile", unrelated to the common use of the word in aviation, where it's an "automated pilot(ing system)". Even if that is the case, they should be aware of the potential for co…
the paragraph above it clearly states that the users are trained on how to engage and disengage the system. If consumers have a good understanding of the system and still feel that it is better than the competition how can it be an issue of mislabelling