So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…
Ahh the old Tesla and orange trick https://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o
Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#62"Cruise Control" doesn't mean I can ignore the ~3200lbs of sports car I drive, just like "Tesla Autopilot" doesn't mean drivers can ignore the ~5000lbs of battery under them. As an American who spends considerable time driving cars in various performance events (even some fun wheel to wheel endurance stuff) I think I can safely estimate at least ~25% of drivers on the road today, probably shouldn't be. Tesla is makin…
> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They focus more on driver-aid systems that encourage not paying attention. Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer.
When I'm trying to figure out which of two really vocal, opposed camps might be more right on some issue, I look for the really hyperbolic statements that are easily refuted but still repeated.
2016: A Tesla's Forward Collision Warning System warns the driver about an impending collision he can't even see yet and starts applying the brakes. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/28/watch-teslas-autopilot-sys...
2016: A Tesla automatically alerts the driver and swerves to the right to avoid a collision. https://www.inverse.com/article/14393-tesla-autopilot-avoidi...
2018: A Tesla's automatic emergency braking system makes it the only car in an intersection that isn't hit by a someone running a red light. https://insideevs.com/news/342781/watch-this-tesla-model-3-s...
2019: A Tesla gets rear-ended and then swerves around the vehicle in front of it and pulls safely off to the right. https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-autopilot-maneuver-avoi...
2019: A Tesla avoids a stopped vehicle on a busy road in icy conditions with extremely poor visibility. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-automatic-emergency-...
There are so many different reports like this that searching for them is boring.
So which manufacturers do you have in mind when you say that "most" of them are offering comparable safety systems?
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#63So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…
Ahh the old Tesla and orange trick https://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#64So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…
> So it's steering... but you're supposed to leave your hands on the wheel anyway? But not actually steering, just resting there just in case? I'm not sure how realistic this is in terms of human behavior. I have an Acura, so no autopilot, but it allows my car to steer, accelerate, and brake automatically within its lane. Also, if I don't apply control to the steering wheel (let alone have my hands off of it) for mor…
It definitely reduces the cognitive load, letting you drive better in my opinion. But there isn’t an idiot-sensor in the car, so like every technology, there will be people who abuse it. The interesting question is whether those same idiots would be safer in a regular car, or if, on balance, the “autopilot+idiot” combination is safer - that seems like an empirical question to me.
Even at the current level, it’s a great advance on a regular car (I have no idea how it compares to other expensive cars with various assistive technologies, I usually buy super cheap cars...). I also think that if fully autonomous driving is technically possible, then Tesla will be the one to do it - they have several hundred thousand drivers giving them training data in all sorts of weird edge cases every day.
It really is worth watching the whole of the recent investor event at Tesla and then deciding what you think of their technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#65The percentage of drivers who think it's safe to nap is small but nonetheless frightening. What are these people thinking?
They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk. People can be idiots. You have to actively disable safety measures in order to get the car to drive for any kind of extended period without applying force to the wheel. Anyone caught doing this intentionally should be cited for impaired driving same as a DUI. Then there are the people who legitimately fall asleep at the wheel and AutoPilot saves their lives,…
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Weird, when I go to Tesla's Autopilot page[1], I'm presented with a video demo where the driver has his hands off of the wheel. The video has the following caption: > The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
Thats to show FSD, a different feature. If you were to ask they have been very clear of what it does now and what it should do in the future.
I could completely understand a reasonable person thinking this was a demonstration of Autopilot, given it’s the primary content block on the /autopilot landing page.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so? Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle. Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehic…
My Model 3 did exactly that this morning. I was in the act of changing lanes, expecting the car behind me in the target lane to either maintain speed or slow to avoid hitting me. Instead it sped up, my car alerted me, and as I glanced in the side view to see the car approaching, the steering wheel gently tugged me (us??) back into our lane, avoiding collision. I’ve never felt so grateful to an object before.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#68I think this is misleading, Autopilot never told it's safe enough to let hands off the steering wheel. To this extend of course there is no difference than other solutions.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#69"Survey participants were asked questions including whether they thought it was safe to take their hands off the steering wheel" I think this is misleading, Autopilot never told it's safe enough to let hands off the steering wheel. To this extend of course there is no difference than other solutions.
Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so? Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle. Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehic…
My Model 3 did exactly that this morning. I was in the act of changing lanes, expecting the car behind me in the target lane to either maintain speed or slow to avoid hitting me. Instead it sped up, my car alerted me, and as I glanced in the side view to see the car approaching, the steering wheel gently tugged me (us??) back into our lane, avoiding collision. I’ve never felt so grateful to an object before.