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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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It's even on their official sites demo video! As shared in another comment https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

It clearly states that the functionality in the video is coming in a future update. Its a video showing what the model 3 hardware is capable of once the software and regulation catches up.

> once the software and regulation catches up.

What regulation needs to catch up?

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

As a regular AutoPilot user, it does require active supervision. You need to be looking out the window as it drives you down the highway. It detects minute levels of torque on the wheel, so resting a hand in the wheel is enough to keep it happy. If it doesn’t detect any torque on the wheel it prompts you, and you can touch the wheel or move one of the scrollwheels to let it know you’re paying attention. > In general,…

I would even say sometimes it checks too much. I've driven, actively looking ahead at the road, and then it will beep because I ignored the prompt on the dashboard (below the wheel). The prompt is white at the top of the dashboard and is a white gradient, that looks like glare on the dash.

I don't know how these people fall asleep behind the wheel unless they've done something that mimics an active hand on the wheel. Maybe with the model 3 which has a driver-facing camera, they will enable it and check the driver's eyes.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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"Cruise Control" doesn't mean I can ignore the ~3200lbs of sports car I drive, just like "Tesla Autopilot" doesn't mean drivers can ignore the ~5000lbs of battery under them. As an American who spends considerable time driving cars in various performance events (even some fun wheel to wheel endurance stuff) I think I can safely estimate at least ~25% of drivers on the road today, probably shouldn't be. Tesla is makin…

> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems.

They focus more on driver-aid systems that encourage not paying attention. Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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"Cruise Control" doesn't mean I can ignore the ~3200lbs of sports car I drive, just like "Tesla Autopilot" doesn't mean drivers can ignore the ~5000lbs of battery under them. As an American who spends considerable time driving cars in various performance events (even some fun wheel to wheel endurance stuff) I think I can safely estimate at least ~25% of drivers on the road today, probably shouldn't be. Tesla is makin…

> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They focus more on driver-aid systems that encourage not paying attention. Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer.

I disagree.

Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so?

Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle.

Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehicle in front of your slams on it's brakes, it slows down when someone in front of that vehicle hit the brakes.

There's a lot of intelligent engineering there, and a lot of improvements that are pushing the industry to be safer and more responsible. There's a lot of negative press out there, but much of it is not based on fair statistics.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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post #47
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular AutoPilot user, it does require active supervision. You need to be looking out the window as it drives you down the highway. It detects minute levels of torque on the wheel, so resting a hand in the wheel is enough to keep it happy. If it doesn’t detect any torque on the wheel it prompts you, and you can touch the wheel or move one of the scrollwheels to let it know you’re paying attention. > In general,…

> I watch the cars around me, I look ahead down the road and check mirrors more frequently. I havent tried tesla autopilot yet so I don’t know how much easier it makes driving, but if steering[1] keeps you from doing these things ... should you be on the road at all? If you’re too tired to both steer and maintain situational awareness you should probably take a rest :/ [1] steering, more like keeping the wheel steady…

Cognitive load is a real thing.

People have a finite ability to multitask especially with similar actions. The only possible approach to driving to to not pay attention to most things as you focus on something specific and then cycle through each activity. Further, when you are forced to pay attention to something specific you must spend less time focusing on other things.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They focus more on driver-aid systems that encourage not paying attention. Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer.

I disagree. Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so? Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle. Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehic…

My Model 3 did exactly that this morning. I was in the act of changing lanes, expecting the car behind me in the target lane to either maintain speed or slow to avoid hitting me. Instead it sped up, my car alerted me, and as I glanced in the side view to see the car approaching, the steering wheel gently tugged me (us??) back into our lane, avoiding collision. I’ve never felt so grateful to an object before.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

Ahh the old Tesla and orange trick https://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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post #31

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> In reality, once you are used to it, it’s actually quite easy to keep a hand on the wheel while using Autopilot. ...while you do something other than pay attention. Like take a nap or watch a movie (just search YouTube for Tesla nap).

I drive on AutoPilot every day. The shit I see other drivers doing on the highway blows my mind. Yesterday a guy was trimming his toes. Bare foot up on the dash and just going at it. Can’t. Unsee. Approximately half of drivers are holding a cellphone on their ear, or yawning with a look of utter exhaustion on their face, occasionally rocking out to some great tunes, which is fun when they catch you watching. None of…

> Yesterday a guy was trimming his toes. Bare foot up on the dash and just going at it. Can’t. Unsee.

I had that guy as a Lyft driver once.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

One big problem I continue to see is that the behaviour you get used to can change with a software update and I think that's dangerous. People can naturally let down their guard when things become routine and may be ill prepared to deal with an unexpected change in behaviour from the autopilot.
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