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Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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> When saying we were "information starved" it implies we actually needed more information, like food We arguably did need more, like the locations to find food, when to plant food, how to deal with drought or pests, how to avoid and defend from predators, etc. Information is the key to all of our needs.

See all the examples of explorers dying in places with ample food because they didn't know how to access it. Scott Alexander recently reviewed a book covering this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/06/04/book-review-the-secret... Information was critical for survival, so it's no surprise we seek it out.

Yes, but your link makes a good case that our cognitive abilities aren't perfect at this, nor did they necessarily evolve to do this. After all, plenty of other animals meet their needs perfectly fine without our large brains.

Some have thus argued that our cognitive abilities actually evolved to deal with understanding the minds of other humans, to predict defectors and establish complex social systems that encourage cooperation and enhance collective survival. Our ability to cooperate provides a huge adaptive advantage, and so our innate biases supposedly make more sense in this context.

This makes social media doubly dangerous, since not only is information valuable, but information about what other people are talking about, thinking, etc. is even more important to us.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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TL;DR clickbait is addictive. “And just as our brains like empty calories from junk food, they can overvalue information that makes us feel good but may not be useful—what some may call idle curiosity.” THAT is the point of the article. Crap information is addictive. I knew there was some sort of angle to this.

Are you saying you think their angle was to reach a conclusion that sugary information is addictive? It sounded like that was the starting point. What's the issue?

They didn't specify what kind of information in the header. So you could either assume ALL information is like junkfood and drugs, or you could assume people are filling up on information and becoming more intelligent (which I assume NO ONE assumed) or make any number of assumptions.

Case in point: the headline is too ambiguous.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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I consider my information addiction as one of the top 2 personal problems that are holding me back in my life. The only thing that works for me every once in a while is going cold turkey and blocking off as many websites as I can in my hosts file. I'm surprised there isn't a serious accessible product that helps people manage this addiction, because unlike drugs you can't realistically not use the internet ever again…

There are browser extensions like Leechblock for Firefox, they help. You can make the list of sites to edit impossible to reach during the time they are blocked. I'd like a tool like that but more low level, so they work for all browsers simultaneously and can be even harder to circumvent.

There's also a browser extension that limits the number of tabs you can have open.

Maybe another good one would be to slow you down, e.g. at most one page per minute or so.

But the best remedy is to stand up and walk around for a bit, discuss what's vague about your current task with a colleague for a moment, or try to put some thoughts on actual paper. That's not something you get from a product.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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I consider my information addiction as one of the top 2 personal problems that are holding me back in my life. The only thing that works for me every once in a while is going cold turkey and blocking off as many websites as I can in my hosts file. I'm surprised there isn't a serious accessible product that helps people manage this addiction, because unlike drugs you can't realistically not use the internet ever again…

How would you decide what to block? Wikipedia or Stack Overflow can be extremely useful but you can waste time there as easily as on Facebook, Twitter or Hacker News.

Stack Overflow finally listened to all my pleas on their yearly survey and now turning off the Hot Network Questions is at least a configurable option!

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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How would you decide what to block? Wikipedia or Stack Overflow can be extremely useful but you can waste time there as easily as on Facebook, Twitter or Hacker News.

I didn't say that this product will "block" sites (traditionally speaking). For example, if you need StackOverflow it can replace it's UI with only a search box and results list, preventing you from clicking related links. When you go on reddit, it could asks you which subreddit you need and why before letting you in, reinforcing the reason you need to visit the site. I think it can be powerful - requiring active inp…

That's a nice idea, explain your reasons for visiting any site. Also enter how much time you expect to spend there, and get reminders, I'd say.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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post #43

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Lots of people do have gardens already

So they can have a couple tomatoes and bunches of arugula to last maybe a month or two after their harvest time? Meanwhile 99% of the food they eat still comes from agriculture. There really is no real alternative to agriculture and food markets, besides the things that are more of a hobby than a serious option.

You're not wrong, but this is how I learned about in-season vegetables. I can keep my garden going year-round, but it took time and learning, so I'm not suggesting it's possible for everyone (especially once you take geography into account). It's hard work!

But even as a relatively staunch environmentalist, I didn't really "get" in-season produce until I tried keeping a garden 365 days a year. Now it sticks, and I have a much better idea when I walk into a grocery store of what veggies are in season. I should know, because they reflect what I'm currently trying (or know I can) grow in my garden for the given month.

Basically, the benefit isn't just that I'm buying less stuff from the grocery store.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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How would you decide what to block? Wikipedia or Stack Overflow can be extremely useful but you can waste time there as easily as on Facebook, Twitter or Hacker News.

While Stack Overflow is great for solving issues, I still had to block the "Hot Network Questions" suggestions from the sidebar because it was an almost systematic distraction that would inevitably send me down a rabbit-hole of unrelated questions. Any system designed to solve the attention problem will have to be opinionated, blocking specific websites, or at least parts of it, I guess it's an interesting case study…

How did you do that?

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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While Stack Overflow is great for solving issues, I still had to block the "Hot Network Questions" suggestions from the sidebar because it was an almost systematic distraction that would inevitably send me down a rabbit-hole of unrelated questions. Any system designed to solve the attention problem will have to be opinionated, blocking specific websites, or at least parts of it, I guess it's an interesting case study…

How did you do that?

I used an adblocker to block the element (the ID is #hot-network-questions).

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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Reminds me of the hippocampus size study from 2006 for people who do repetitive work (bus driving) and people who have to analyze roads for best paths for a living (taxi drivers) in London https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17024677

And from a personal anecdote, learning something new doesn't always feel like a drug or good food. News has always something new and it doesn't feel that great to consume. Learning something new that is applicable feels empowering, sometimes almost to the point of excitement and joy.

Re: Information is like snacks, money, and drugs to the brain

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post #56
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they can have a couple tomatoes and bunches of arugula to last maybe a month or two after their harvest time? Meanwhile 99% of the food they eat still comes from agriculture. There really is no real alternative to agriculture and food markets, besides the things that are more of a hobby than a serious option.

You're not wrong, but this is how I learned about in-season vegetables. I can keep my garden going year-round, but it took time and learning, so I'm not suggesting it's possible for everyone (especially once you take geography into account). It's hard work! But even as a relatively staunch environmentalist, I didn't really "get" in-season produce until I tried keeping a garden 365 days a year. Now it sticks, and I ha…

If I tallied up all we spend on our garden and divide the amount of produce we get from it by that figure, it would make Whole Foods' prices look ridiculously cheap...
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