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In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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One question i am asking repeatedly is what is exactly the work they do for 5 extended hours? i have seen people barely work 4 out of 8 hours and being super productive!

This. I don't have strict working hours and I don't expect my employee to really work for more than 4 hours a day.

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Connecting bad traits with the same term as unchangeable traits makes no sense to. I am male and therefore have masculinity. Why connect demanding overtime to masculinity? It's super unspecific and not helpful. And no way you could ever use the word "toxic femininity" or "toxic blackness". People would go crazy,.

I have had numerous conversations with all manner of avowedly feminist-leaning folk, where both "toxic masculinity" and "toxic femininity" were under discussion, including particularly the ways they exacerbate and reinforce one another. These include people with graduate degrees in icky, feely things like Gender Studies. It turns out, when you use those terms to describe traits, rather than as accusations of assholer…

That sounds a bit like how African Americans can use the N-word. The word has different meaning depending on who is saying it, who is the recipient, and the relation the two individuals have.

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>Never mind my 10x increase in sales. Well, also I was an arrogant prick. I never understood why "just results aren't enough" for working in some cultures.

Because results are tricky are measure. "Butts-in-seats" is much easier for lazy and clueless managers to keep track of, so that's what they do.

Yes. It's hard to measure results, because you usually want to know the counterfactuals, like: "what would the result have been if someone else had been given the assignment".

If sales grow 10x under your watch, was that because of your hard work and talent, or because the economy went through an upswing and a few lucrative customers stumbled in the door on their own accord?

If your colleagues responsible for the neighbouring regions aren't doing as well, would you have done any better in their place?

Very hard to know. But they can easily see if you're working overtime.

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Then don't call it "masculinity" and be more specific. Anything related to "masculinity" will be connected to males.

Yes, that's the point? It's a well defined term. Toxic masculinity is connected to the masculine roles society forces on men and women. I'm not sure what else you'd call it, because the entire point is that it has everything to do with masculinity. Hence, toxic masculinity. But again, anyone can perpetuate it.

Seems to me that if you're taking completely non-gender-specific toxic behavior like belittling employees for not staying late, and assigning it the label "masculinity", it is you who is engaging in the harmful stereotypes.

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In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am. In many places I worked in the US, it is somewhat of a badge of honor to spend long hours at work (how many of those are actually productive, is a different story). And these aren't even startups. This can't continue - an entire generation of people have been brainwashed that hard work = go…

> In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am. In both the places I've worked, it's a common joke anyone says when somebody leaves. everybody laughs and nobody gets offended. It doesn't mean anything.

Joking that a reasonable leaving hour == too early isn't a good joke. It plants the idea that the reasonable hour maybe isn't reasonable in other peoples' minds.

That kind of thing only works as a joke when it's about an obviously late hour (i.e. well past the norms of the company). If someone stays until 9pm to put out some fire and then people joke about working a half day, its obvious that there's no underlying meaning to that, since the leaving hour is well past the established norms

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"Masculinity isn't an unchangeable trait though." I am masculine. Can't change it unless I take hormones. I can wear a dress but that doesn't change anything.

Please look up the definition of masculinity. It has everything to do with culture, it is not something you are 100% born with. Do you have a beard? If no, then in some cultures you wouldn't be very masculine. Ergo, in those cultures you are not in fact masculine.

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Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am. In many places I worked in the US, it is somewhat of a badge of honor to spend long hours at work (how many of those are actually productive, is a different story). And these aren't even startups. This can't continue - an entire generation of people have been brainwashed that hard work = go…

> This can't continue

It doesn't continue, I have never accepted that or let it get to me. Why do you?

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That argument doesn’t really make sense.

1) paid time is taxed 2) unpaid overtime is not taxed 3) untaxed work effectively evades taxes 4) unpaid overtime is tax evasion. which step don't you agree with?

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> how do leaders convince people that change can be good? Showing the idea to a broad audience on tv is actually one way to do this. (although there are ways this can backfire)

This show is not seeking to do this. Note this part of the article which barely gets a mention: "In the novel, the decision to work overtime leads to her downfall: She becomes addicted to work, ends up in the hospital and loses a new beau, who has a decidedly more relaxed attitude toward his own job. But on the TV show, which began airing in April, Ms. Higashiyama is destined for a happier fate, said the producers" T…

It is too early to say that, no? Perhaps the happier fate is the result of recognizing the mistake of caving into overtime and correcting it before things get as bad as they did in the book.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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That argument doesn’t really make sense.

1) paid time is taxed 2) unpaid overtime is not taxed 3) untaxed work effectively evades taxes 4) unpaid overtime is tax evasion. which step don't you agree with?

I misread the comment.
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