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Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by kingkong2022 »

amedvednikov wrote: post #103
lifthrasiir wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also clang. If your initial release only has a code generation using clang, it is your hard dependency. Windows doesn't have a native compiler and it must have a compiler beforehand---so a bare compiler wouldn't work at all! (I know that the initial release lacked Windows. But I have no reason to believe that the Windows version will be different.) Don't tell me that it is a pre-alpha and will be updated on 22 Ju…

C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway. You say "also". What else?

> C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway.

Nice attitude BTW. Because it is required for bootstrapping, so it is not a dependency even though I can't use V compiler without it. Great!!!

Re: The V Programming Language

#112

Post by kingkong2022 »

zelon88 wrote: post #109

I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blogs and comments and you seem to have a following. A loyal one. A vested one. Sure there are detractors, but if you step back and look; all your detractors are fueled either by your inaction, or your lack of transparency. All your supporters trust you, which is…

> many of which from shills and throwaways

Yes, andrew and bill are both shills. And my comments have everything false written in it.

Have you even read the comments?

Re: The V Programming Language

#113

Post by lifthrasiir »

amedvednikov wrote: post #103
lifthrasiir wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also clang. If your initial release only has a code generation using clang, it is your hard dependency. Windows doesn't have a native compiler and it must have a compiler beforehand---so a bare compiler wouldn't work at all! (I know that the initial release lacked Windows. But I have no reason to believe that the Windows version will be different.) Don't tell me that it is a pre-alpha and will be updated on 22 Ju…

C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway. You say "also". What else?

> C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway.

So it is your hard dependency. Describe so.

> You say "also". What else?

If you think that they are spreading the misinformation because some of claimed dependencies are actually for stdlib, you should think again. A substantial subset of HN users would think that "zero dependencies" promise extends to stdlib, as it is technically possible to have out-of-box UI and graphics in the stdlib and especially Go was famous of its independent crypto and network libraries. Your statement was not clear enough.

Re: The V Programming Language

#114

Post by amedvednikov »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #110
amedvednikov wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, proprietary languages? What are you referring to?

A pledge to make your language free (as in freedom defined by FSF [1], so its antonym is proprietary) is not an open source by itself. Currently your language is not free. EDIT: s/open source/free/ [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

V is going to be released in 2 days and be free with a permissive license.

You can't call an unreleased language proprietary.

Re: The V Programming Language

#115

Post by amedvednikov »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #113
amedvednikov wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway. You say "also". What else?

> C is the L0 language needed for bootstrapping anyway. So it is your hard dependency. Describe so. > You say "also". What else? If you think that they are spreading the misinformation because some of claimed dependencies are actually for stdlib, you should think again. A substantial subset of HN users would think that "zero dependencies" promise extends to stdlib, as it is technically possible to have out-of-box UI…

The graphics libraries are not part of stdlib, UI only uses system libraries that are preinstalled.

Next?

Re: The V Programming Language

#116

Post by amedvednikov »

kingkong2022 wrote: post #108
amedvednikov wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "most" you mean "one" (generics). OK. :D

So apart from all the other stuff mentioned in the thread, there is one more thing now. According to the docs, it is supposed to be released in july. But you already have it showcased in the home page since months. Wow!

But I don't understand. You just said "most" of these don't work. Turns out "most" is 1.

And you keep posting after this?

Re: The V Programming Language

#117

Post by lifthrasiir »

amedvednikov wrote: post #114
lifthrasiir wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A pledge to make your language free (as in freedom defined by FSF [1], so its antonym is proprietary) is not an open source by itself. Currently your language is not free. EDIT: s/open source/free/ [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

V is going to be released in 2 days and be free with a permissive license. You can't call an unreleased language proprietary.

You have a working playground and have briefly released a binary. At the very least the second qualifies as a distribution, an important event when we are talking about F/OSS. Your language is therefore still proprietary.

Many current programmers think F/OSS as a norm and proprietary (released or not) as exceptionally shady. Even though some may think proprietary software is acceptable, something being F/OSS is a label with the non-trivial amount of value. Your act can be interpreted as claiming that value without actually being F/OSS, no matter what was your intention.

Re: The V Programming Language

#118

Post by kingkong2022 »

amedvednikov wrote: post #116
kingkong2022 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So apart from all the other stuff mentioned in the thread, there is one more thing now. According to the docs, it is supposed to be released in july. But you already have it showcased in the home page since months. Wow!

But I don't understand. You just said "most" of these don't work. Turns out "most" is 1. And you keep posting after this?

Me & others have already listed out what things don't work. And you still keep posting after all that?

Anyways, fuck off now. I don't care enough to reply to you. Neither do I care about the downvotes this comment is going to get because of telling you to do what you deserve.

Lets just see how many the features you have on your homepage does your language come with after two days.

Re: The V Programming Language

#119

Post by amedvednikov »

zelon88 wrote: post #109

I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blogs and comments and you seem to have a following. A loyal one. A vested one. Sure there are detractors, but if you step back and look; all your detractors are fueled either by your inaction, or your lack of transparency. All your supporters trust you, which is…

You are right. This premature release was a mistake. June 22.

Re: The V Programming Language

#120

Post by zelon88 »

amedvednikov wrote: post #119
zelon88 wrote: post #109

I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blogs and comments and you seem to have a following. A loyal one. A vested one. Sure there are detractors, but if you step back and look; all your detractors are fueled either by your inaction, or your lack of transparency. All your supporters trust you, which is…

You are right. This premature release was a mistake. June 22.

Just remember; someone who says yes first and no later is a "liar."

Someone who says no first then yes later is a "good guy."

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