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Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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His statements might be correct. But it's interesting to note who is most supportive of him: namely right-wing climate-change deniers. This is a problem in politics. He may be a completely honest actor and yet he will be weaponised against climate research altogether.

So if republican uses your findings they are automatically wrong? Brb, gotta publish that P!=NP proof in a Republican journal.

You're putting words in my mouth.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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So if republican uses your findings they are automatically wrong? Brb, gotta publish that P!=NP proof in a Republican journal.

You're putting words in my mouth.

Climate change is a serious problem that requires a serious solution, but pursuing an outright false narrative to deal with it is a wrong way to go about it.

Defusing his contribution is easy - just acknowledge the author is a proponent of climate change.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Science and Politics should not be mixed, in an ideal world.

Once Politics jumps in, people become committed to a point of view. We want to be 'right' (at least so far as the debate is concerned) more than we want the actual truth.

Politics unfortunately costs us progress in this and other areas, sometimes. (But I suppose it is the best thing available.)

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Credentialism is one of the worst forms of intellectual laziness. Judge a person's ideas by their quality, not the piece of paper some institution saw fit to sign.

Some institutions may have significant expertise on a subject where you don't, making such credentials occasionally very useful.

Occasionally very useful? It’s crazy useful, like when you go to an accounting firm, law firm, or medical firm, who will also judge credentials on your behalf anyway. We are all enjoying the bounties of this productive prejudice. Even mathematicians will judge.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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That’s exactly the point and why it’s laziness. If you lack the knowledge to judge someone’s work then intellectual honesty requires foregoing an opinion on its quality. Saying “well I don’t understand, but his degree doesn’t have climate in its name so he must not know what he’s talking about” is gross laziness. And if you do have the expertise to accurately judge the work in question, then it stands or falls on its…

Perhaps I have some meta-expertise on judging the correlation between credentials and credibility. Exclusive first-hand observation is a cripplingly restrictive epistemology. Even much of our own first-hand expertise is based on us learning from and believing sources, professors, textbooks etc.

You have some meta expertise? Have you studied industrial or organizational business and psych literature? You should just come out and say it, as opposed to hinting that you have mysterious credibility.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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It's interesting to note that he's being attacked in part because republicans are relying on him. Of course they don't do this because of any sort of scientific integrity on their part, but only because they happen to agree with him on some specific points. And of course the democrats do not point that hypocrisy out since they're doing the same thing. He's also only addressing his area of expertise, extreme weather e…

As a US right-winger I believe that climate change is pushed by the democrats because it provides the justification for unlimited and centralized government intervention in people’s lives, which is what they wanted anyway because of ideological reasons. The actual impact of climate change is therefore irrelevant and possibly detrimental to this agenda. It’s also my opinion that foreigners are unlikely to get an unbiased view of the right in America unless they go digging for it specifically.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Science and Politics should not be mixed, in an ideal world. Once Politics jumps in, people become committed to a point of view. We want to be 'right' (at least so far as the debate is concerned) more than we want the actual truth. Politics unfortunately costs us progress in this and other areas, sometimes. (But I suppose it is the best thing available.)

In the context of a universal suffrage democracy, everything is potentially political, and pretending otherwise is wishful thinking.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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That’s exactly the point and why it’s laziness. If you lack the knowledge to judge someone’s work then intellectual honesty requires foregoing an opinion on its quality. Saying “well I don’t understand, but his degree doesn’t have climate in its name so he must not know what he’s talking about” is gross laziness. And if you do have the expertise to accurately judge the work in question, then it stands or falls on its…

Perhaps I have some meta-expertise on judging the correlation between credentials and credibility. Exclusive first-hand observation is a cripplingly restrictive epistemology. Even much of our own first-hand expertise is based on us learning from and believing sources, professors, textbooks etc.

Expertise isn't one of those words that metas all that well. Expert tends to sound a lot more, well, expert, than meta-expert. If someone tried to reassure me by saying that they were a meta-expert, I'd probably try and shoo them out of the building with a broom before they damaged anything.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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That’s exactly the point and why it’s laziness. If you lack the knowledge to judge someone’s work then intellectual honesty requires foregoing an opinion on its quality. Saying “well I don’t understand, but his degree doesn’t have climate in its name so he must not know what he’s talking about” is gross laziness. And if you do have the expertise to accurately judge the work in question, then it stands or falls on its…

Perhaps I have some meta-expertise on judging the correlation between credentials and credibility. Exclusive first-hand observation is a cripplingly restrictive epistemology. Even much of our own first-hand expertise is based on us learning from and believing sources, professors, textbooks etc.

The first paragraph should probably have had a /sarcasm tag. To rephrase with less snark, I don't believe anyone can become an expert without trusting prior experts.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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That’s exactly the point and why it’s laziness. If you lack the knowledge to judge someone’s work then intellectual honesty requires foregoing an opinion on its quality. Saying “well I don’t understand, but his degree doesn’t have climate in its name so he must not know what he’s talking about” is gross laziness. And if you do have the expertise to accurately judge the work in question, then it stands or falls on its…

> requires foregoing an opinion on its quality So how do you decide whom to rely on for medical care? Surely you don’t just roll a die.

This is actually something I have a serious problem with, especially considering the prevalence of iatrogenic injuries. For some reason doctors don't list actual useful metrics that could help with decision making, like how many people they've accidentally killed or maimed, how many times they've failed to win malpractice suits, and how much time they spend with a patient on average per visit to name just a few examples. There's an old joke that makes fun of medical credentialism: Q: What do you call someone who graduates at the bottom of the class in med school? A: Doctor.

The same goes for hiring a lawyer. How do I know that I'm getting a good one? Is the one whose daddy paid his way into Stanford really better than the striver who worked his way through some second tier law school? At least with a lawyer I have some ability to judge his verbal intelligence through conversation, but I'm still basically blind as to his actual legal ability.

So you tell me, what's the foolproof technique to hire a top decile professional in a field where you aren't equipped to judge the candidate's quality?

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