There were many reasons that led to me deleting my Facebook account in May, 2018. The fact that the platform is a magnet for the absolute worst of humanity and then employs and exploits people in such an inhumane and cavalier way to filter the garbage out was high on the list. Get Zuckerberg to do the job for a few hours and see what he thinks.
Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
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Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some NDA's can be too broad, but this is a bad take. It needs to be possible to hire people that you trust not to disclose all your secrets, and your customer's secrets. This is what privacy regulations are all about. (At Facebook in particular, disclosing stuff about users is pretty bad, see lots of news stories over the last few years.) The balance between protecting privacy and making abuses public is pretty nuanc…
> It needs to be possible to hire people that you trust not to disclose all your secrets, and your customer's secrets I disagree, it needs to be possible for whistle-blowers to operate freely. It should also be possible to disclose to the whole world new and superior techniques and technologies that a company tries to hide. > This is what privacy regulations are all about I am pretty sure that this is a separate thin…
Whether or not a company really benefits from this in a particular case, the consequence of prohibiting any legal protections against the broad sharing of company information would be a lot more secrecy and compartmentalization of information.
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#43I’d love to hear an argument from someone defending this company that isn’t “everybody does it.”
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Shouldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be farely easy to detect in an automated fashion? No. Already filters fuck up way too much and restrict perfectly legal content.
That's why I mentioned an appeals process for requesting human review. As long as this exists and actually leads to human review, I'd much rather wait a while for my videos to be posted if it means easing the burden on 15.000 people having to watch highly damaging content.
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
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#46Maybe Facebook should make all of their own employees do 15 minutes of moderation per day - just to share the pain out a bit....
All the devs would leave
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Couldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be detected in an automated fashion? Even if it could (and parallel posters argue it cannot), there is a meta-problem: "Who is allowed to post violent content?". Violence is contextual, and also legality of posting it is contextual. Same goes for other objectionable materials (nudity, extreme ideologies etc.). Point in case, if all users were subject to the same cr…
Train with signals about the sender?
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#48People who work at Facebook should be pushing for change. But they're numb to the schpiel. They're cushy and looked after and don't want to create a fuss.
Rosen doesn't care. Zuck doesn't care. Sheryl doesn't care. What DO they care about? Perception. Sit in any high-up integrity meeting and you'll see the only thing they seem to talk about is how "x" would be received by users at scale. There's no comment as to the ethics or corporate responsibility. You can be talking about something pretty out there like how human rights intersect with takedown decisions and all you've got is a bunch of people umming-and-ahhing about lossy metrics and how Zuck wants this or that so we better hurry up. Or how awwesome it'll look on our PSCs if we ship this thing.
Broken company.
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#49I live in East Wall, Dublin -- beside the Facebook moderator (The Beckett) building. I wonder if this is true for them as well or if it's just N. America -- we've better employment protections and minimum wage in Ireland compared to the US.
AFAIK Content reviewers in the Dublin office work for Facebook as perm employees (are not contractors), and mostly deal with escalated cases from offsite contractors.
Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some NDA's can be too broad, but this is a bad take. It needs to be possible to hire people that you trust not to disclose all your secrets, and your customer's secrets. This is what privacy regulations are all about. (At Facebook in particular, disclosing stuff about users is pretty bad, see lots of news stories over the last few years.) The balance between protecting privacy and making abuses public is pretty nuanc…
> It needs to be possible to hire people that you trust not to disclose all your secrets, and your customer's secrets I disagree, it needs to be possible for whistle-blowers to operate freely. It should also be possible to disclose to the whole world new and superior techniques and technologies that a company tries to hide. > This is what privacy regulations are all about I am pretty sure that this is a separate thin…
We're a long way away from making everything self-service and companies not needing to hire anyone to do support. Until all the support people get laid off, they need to be trusted at least to some extent. (Internal controls can be helpful.)