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An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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If heroin were freely available (it costs almost nothing to produce), heroin addicts could be productive members of society, and would have nothing to fear in seeking treatment. Nodding is the only thing dangerous about heroin addicts who have access to heroin, everything else is a symptom of prohibition. Additionally, long-term heroin addicts who have a consistent supply don't really nod much, or for long. It's the…

Seizures (untreated) make one ineligible to drive and even when treated typically get a 90 day ban while medically evaluated.

Nodding and seizures are different things. An experienced drug user will know when their drugs are going to make them too sedated to drive.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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> There are entire parts of my city (parks, downtown) I can’t even visit because of the homeless. Maybe someone who falls on hard times doesn’t deserve jail time but if you steal or break any other laws you need to face the music, just like everyone else. > The homeless deserve dignity and respect but so do the rest of us, I feel like that has been forgotten. How mulmen isn't getting dignity and respect: he's afraid…

The “areas mulmen is afraid to go” include my daily commute and bus stops. They are very much places I visit frequently. Even if they were not places I frequently visit it would still not be acceptable. The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the su…

> The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the support of the public. Attacking me isn’t doing anything to help.

Okay, yes, we need the support of the public. But if we get the support of the public by appealing to the self-centered fear of people who live in homes, you get more of the solutions we already have: put spikes on the stoops and make benches impossible to sleep on, send cops around to wake people up every 30 minutes, etc. People haven't forgotten about your fear: that's all they care about. That's why they've driven all the homeless into a few select areas which are now scary and dangerous: so you don't have to be afraid, because you don't have to go there. Solving that last little bit of the homelessness problem will never be a priority because the fact that you want to go somewhere you don't have to go but can't because you're afraid just isn't a real problem. And if someone does decide it's a real problem, they can always just deport the homeless to another state[1].

The solution to homelessness is homes. No counseling, rehab, or drug treatment is going to reliably cure someone's mental illness while their basic physical needs aren't met. And giving homes to the homeless is an expensive solution that isn't going to be palatable to people unless they can muster a bit of compassion for the homeless. Because if all you're trying to do is create a safe space for people with homes to walk around, sweeping the homeless under the rug is a "good enough" solution.

[1] https://www.nbcsandiego.com/investigations/Nevada-Settles-Ho...

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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The “areas mulmen is afraid to go” include my daily commute and bus stops. They are very much places I visit frequently. Even if they were not places I frequently visit it would still not be acceptable. The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the su…

> The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the support of the public. Attacking me isn’t doing anything to help. Okay, yes, we need the support of the public. But if we get the support of the public by appealing to the self-centered fear of people wh…

The homeless are not driven to a few small areas, I already explained that. I’m also not advocating for doing that, please stop insinuating that I am.

The homelessness problem in Seattle is very much something I see in person every day all over the city. You may not understand the nature of Seattle homelessness from New York or from a newspaper article from San Diego.

Housing the homeless is an important step and is something Seattle continues to try and do. The problems we face have more to do with the optional nature of rehabilitation and lack of social services that allow people to become homeless to begin with.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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“Almost everyone has some kind of support network” Except for, you know, homeless people.

I'm not sure that comment is helpful. Clearly the parent is saying that people start out with some sort of support network, and are likely to have transitioned from their own accommodation to sleeping on a couch or in a spare room, and _then_ become homeless. That in that process those with the most extreme problems lose, one way or another, their useful support network. To counter the parents claim we'd need solid f…

I think if you allow a somewhat close reading your quote supports my point.

>"Half of the people we spoke to ended up rough sleeping because they had nowhere else to turn."

This is a little bit ambiguous, but I think one fair interpretation is that the other half they spoke to had somewhere else to turn. (It is also possible they had no information on half.)

So if half do have a place they could go (possibly with the condition of not using drugs, which is the reason they don't accept the accommodation?) and some number of others had burned bridges "due to drug and/or alcohol misuse", that's already a majority. Again this is a pretty close reading, but what I said is not controversial at all if you dig into some of the data and don't just read press releases which selectively quote the studies, or misleadingly combine statistics about people who have lost a residence (due to foreclosure, health, or other financial hardship) but have shelter with friends or family and people who are sleeping outside without shelter.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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post #88

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> There are entire parts of my city (parks, downtown) I can’t even visit because of the homeless. Maybe someone who falls on hard times doesn’t deserve jail time but if you steal or break any other laws you need to face the music, just like everyone else. > The homeless deserve dignity and respect but so do the rest of us, I feel like that has been forgotten. How mulmen isn't getting dignity and respect: he's afraid…

The “areas mulmen is afraid to go” include my daily commute and bus stops. They are very much places I visit frequently. Even if they were not places I frequently visit it would still not be acceptable. The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the su…

> Attacking me isn’t doing anything to help.

Responding to just this: you're the one who sees people sleeping in the streets and decided to make it about you. Highlighting the incredible disparity between your problems and homeless people's problems isn't intended as an attack on you (although it is also that), it's an attack on your argument.

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “areas mulmen is afraid to go” include my daily commute and bus stops. They are very much places I visit frequently. Even if they were not places I frequently visit it would still not be acceptable. The current state of homelessness in Seattle sucks for everyone. Regular citizens of the city are rightfully getting fed up by the lack of progress. That’s important because the only way we can solve it is with the su…

> Attacking me isn’t doing anything to help. Responding to just this: you're the one who sees people sleeping in the streets and decided to make it about you. Highlighting the incredible disparity between your problems and homeless people's problems isn't intended as an attack on you (although it is also that), it's an attack on your argument.

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Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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Also check out The History Channel's 'Ancient Aliens' and 'Ice Road Truckers' The history channel is bullshit. Primary sources or gtfo

Wait, are you implying that Ice Road Truckers is inaccurate?

There are no ice roads it's all CGI

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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Also check out The History Channel's 'Ancient Aliens' and 'Ice Road Truckers' The history channel is bullshit. Primary sources or gtfo

Wait, are you implying that Ice Road Truckers is inaccurate?

Those are just regular road truckers on a green screen

Re: An Addiction Crisis Disguised as a Housing Crisis

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A friend who lives in the SF Mission likes the idea of shipping the druggies off to a drug camp in the middle of nowhere. They get all the drugs they want, until they die.

Real humane of you. Maybe you should ship yourself there first?
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