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Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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I doubt Mainland government will allow a “eventually” Taiwan independence because it hurts the legitimacy of CCP(on the MAINLAND!), which will have a cascading effect.

Not sure what your point is, CCPs legitimacy just crashed when Carrie Lam, a puppet of CCP, just bowed to the pressure of 2M protestors in Hong Kong.

Uh...I’ll just quote Jiang:

“(Young people)Too simple, sometimes naive”

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Hopefully the common folks in mainland China are watching, and is not censored, and take inspiration from HK folks in marching and fighting for their human rights.

To give due credits, the Hong Kong people put great effort to ensure that the protests--both the Umbrella protest in 2014 and the anti-extradition protest in 2019--are peaceful, largely because they don't want to turn Victorial Park into another Tiananmen Square--there are 6000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong, and they will come out once the Hong Kong police loses control of the situation. Hong Kong people learned…

While I agree with your other words, is the last paragraph really necessary? If you want us mainlanders to trust you, it is advisable to not praise Japan when it is not directly related to the conversation.

Mainlanders are also perfectly capable of doing it, although we are not doing as good as we can.

https://www.chinasmack.com/chinese-football-fans-pick-up-tra...

Downvote me all you want, I still support your democratic movements. But if you truly want mainlander to hear your voice, talking about how good Japan is is counterproductive.

If you want to make friends with the victims, it is not a good idea to talk about how morally superior the criminals are. Please explain why are you down-voting this. I changed my mind seeing your previous posts, and I may change again if you can point out my mistake.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what your point is, CCPs legitimacy just crashed when Carrie Lam, a puppet of CCP, just bowed to the pressure of 2M protestors in Hong Kong.

Uh...I’ll just quote Jiang: “(Young people)Too simple, sometimes naive”

You know who isn’t naive? CCP. Any slight acts of aggression against a democratic Taiwan will mean economic sanctions against China from US and its allies (EU, Japan, etc). China’s economy will go back to the stone ages. Those US, British, French warships patrolling the Taiwan straits aren’t just for fun neither

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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Uh...I’ll just quote Jiang: “(Young people)Too simple, sometimes naive”

You know who isn’t naive? CCP. Any slight acts of aggression against a democratic Taiwan will mean economic sanctions against China from US and its allies (EU, Japan, etc). China’s economy will go back to the stone ages. Those US, British, French warships patrolling the Taiwan straits aren’t just for fun neither

Almost vice-versa, ask US and its allies if they’ll support any equally aggressive action from Taiwan(e.g. break current tie) when there’s no benefit for them

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This is a very solid round-up of what faceless accounts have been spamming all over Twitter since this story emerged. These arguments are weak enough to strain credulity. Almost all of them can be answered by saying "the context is very different" 1. Yellow Vests - no overlap in what is being protested. Dissatisfaction with policy vs dissatisfaction with fundamental political rights = very different context. 2. Extra…

The "Assange situation" is not complex, and it's not one-off. He published numerous secret documents that were deeply embarrassing to the governments of the United States, United Kingdom, and many other countries. He is being targeted for entirely political reasons, and the cooperation of the British and Ecuadorian authorities is likewise politically motivated. In the case of Britain, the motivation is twofold. Assan…

Also after the recent Assange developments, there was the Australia ABC raid after another journalist/leaker, with a warrant to “view/change/delete” anything in the station. And 2 more journalists arrested in France, covering the yellow vests, possibly not “correctly”.

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Uh...I’ll just quote Jiang: “(Young people)Too simple, sometimes naive”

You know who isn’t naive? CCP. Any slight acts of aggression against a democratic Taiwan will mean economic sanctions against China from US and its allies (EU, Japan, etc). China’s economy will go back to the stone ages. Those US, British, French warships patrolling the Taiwan straits aren’t just for fun neither

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3721753

After China tariffs, Trump should recognize Taiwan, the Pentagon likely agrees

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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I am proud of our democratic cousins in Hong Kong; this is just the beginning. Who knows what kind of country China will be in 2047, maybe there is hope for democratic China or 50 more years of democratic Hong Kong, who knows. As for Taiwan, Taiwanese people already identify themselves with being Taiwanese. Nearly 80% of people polled identify themselves in fact, in recent polls. Now we just need the older generation…

The PLA is not China's army, it is the Chinese communist party's army. PLA training is 90% political indoctrination, 10% combat training. They have garrisons in Hong Kong (edited). Unless the Chinese communist party self-destructs, there's no foreseeable end of communist rule in China. The social credit system and online censors prevent people from criticizing and opposing the government.

> They have garrisons in Taipei

Source please

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I live on the other side of the world, but this still strikes a deep chord with me. I'm Swedish, born and raised in Gothenburg. After the Umbrella protests in 2014 five people connected to the Causeway Bay Books store in Hong Kong disappeared. One of them is a naturalized Swedish citizen, his daughter was raised in my home town. He is now imprisoned and can't communicate with his daughter, or with the Swedish authori…

> This is a small world, whether we like it or not, and letting authoritarian stuff like this extradition treaty to a dictatorship slide

A while ago a plane arrived in Fiji half-filled with Chinese police officers. They arrested 77 supposedly Chinese nationals, put them on the plane, and took them back to China. This was all extra-judicial. None of the 77 were arrested, charged, or convicted by the Fijian justice system. It's unknown who the 77 are, but the Chinese claim they were involved in an online fraud ring.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-08/chinese-suspects-depo...

Re: About 2M People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests

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I strongly believe that the people of Hong Kong should have the right to self-determinism. There is nobody alive who has lived under Chinese rule in Hong Kong. For reference, I am British. I hope that someday Hong Kong can be recognized as a country in its own right.

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I am proud of our democratic cousins in Hong Kong; this is just the beginning. Who knows what kind of country China will be in 2047, maybe there is hope for democratic China or 50 more years of democratic Hong Kong, who knows. As for Taiwan, Taiwanese people already identify themselves with being Taiwanese. Nearly 80% of people polled identify themselves in fact, in recent polls. Now we just need the older generation…

The PLA is not China's army, it is the Chinese communist party's army. PLA training is 90% political indoctrination, 10% combat training. They have garrisons in Hong Kong (edited). Unless the Chinese communist party self-destructs, there's no foreseeable end of communist rule in China. The social credit system and online censors prevent people from criticizing and opposing the government.

I don't think they have garrisons in Taipei. Please explain what you mean?
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