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U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

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#121
Throwback to Madam Secretary.

On a more serious note, does the US have red teams which try pen test our own power grid and other critical infrastructure? I don't believe I've ever heard of it, but I would have to assume at least one three letter agency does it right? (I hope)

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post #93

"For the past year, energy companies in the United States and oil and gas operators across North America discovered their networks had been examined by the same Russian hackers who successfully dismantled the safety systems in 2017 at Petro Rabigh, a Saudi petrochemical plant and oil refinery." Why are these systems even connected to the internet? Decades ago, creating such connections might have been a forgivable ov…

They dont have to be connected to the internet directly , the attackers can move laterally across segmented network boundaries or deliver a USB or backdoored device implant for their initial access.

Which is why you dont get to bring your equipment into those facilities. But someone always thinks he is the exception to the rule. What harm could a USB stick do and you really need your powerpoint slides.

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post #96

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I can download a cache of a map on my phone from Google maps but a powerplant needs a constant internet connection for them?

Do the google mobile APIs offer a way to run an offline version of them? Otherwise, if you want to do it fully offline, it’s kind of a pain in the ass to run something like ArcGIS on prem and license navteq data.

The app has offline maps? And there are a few 3rd party "offline map" apps.

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The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement. The irony of mentioning treaties too. That's some next level true believer stuff. Would love to have a chat about: * Chemical weapons convention * Mine ban treaty * Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court * Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty * Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty * Biological and Toxin Weapons Con…

I am a critic of the US but in this case it's not as if Russian hackers don't keep screwing with the US power grid.

But tit for tat responses are problamatic. Eg: Responding to terrorism with more terrorism is hardly going to lead to solutions. US supposedly does not operate in the same ethical-moral framework as the Russians.Is it even legal under American law to disrupt or cause damage to other countries property, while not engaged in war? I think the whole think smacks of extra-legality, and that is one place where democracies should not be going.

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It got a software penalty, probably correctly, because this topic is unfortunately more likely to lead nationalistic flamewar than thoughtful discussion. But let's try taking the penalty off and seeing. By the way, you can't derive story rank from points and submission time—HN's system is more complex than that. That's all that "WTF" means here.

A "software" penalty. Okay, Dan. Why don't you just come out and say someone modded it, rather than hide behind the veil of some dubious natural language processing or ratio analysis. That's like blaming the dog for a fart. The truth is that everyone operating HN would rather keep users in the dark about how and why stories land where they do. The idea being that if we could predict what the software might do, we'd t…

A ranking is not a story and humans are unnatural. You make unfounded assumptions.

Who prevented you from asking how the rankings work?

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> ... to paper over the decrepit nature of the American political system, they are attacking civilian infrastructure in a nuclear armed nation. @tehjoker Uh, I think what you /really/ mean is: In retaliation to numerous US Network Infrastructure incursions -from the same entity- the US has attempted their own software implantation within the attacker's networks. Fixed that for ya! ;) _____ Also, from the article itse…

When Trump's base says that "the deep state" is trying to start a war between the US and Russia, it's quotes like these that will be used to bolster their claims.

Would they be wrong?

Edit: AFAICT both sides are "technically not wrong", homomorphic to the basic "free speech" argument, "it's technically not illegal".

I'm a bit flabberghasted that no one has constructed an ironclad technological solution to this wishy-washy dance of weak arguments, backed up by rhyme but not reason. Proof verifiers should come to politics.

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post #23

“So far, there is no evidence that the United States has actually turned off the power in any of the efforts to establish what American officials call a “persistent presence” inside Russian networks, just as the Russians have not turned off power in the United States.” The NYT decision to frame these efforts as “attacks” rather than “infiltration” is certainly an interesting one. In essence, the U.S. has built a (dig…

Since they're actively planting stuff in their systems, I consider calling it an attack appropriate. That's not "testing nukes in your own desert", that is "sneaking into someone's factories and planting bombs", if we're looking for an analogy. And I'm surprised that this is openly admitted by the US, and tolerated by both sides, instead of being treated as an act of war.

My impression is that it's easier to attack than to defend or detect. That would make the country who doesn't attack a sucker. So treating it as an act of war isn't viable.

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the google mobile APIs offer a way to run an offline version of them? Otherwise, if you want to do it fully offline, it’s kind of a pain in the ass to run something like ArcGIS on prem and license navteq data.

The app has offline maps? And there are a few 3rd party "offline map" apps.

Google does their best to make the app unusable off-line, but I hear there are alternatives (HERE Maps is a name I recall seeing on HN a few times).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The app has offline maps? And there are a few 3rd party "offline map" apps.

Google does their best to make the app unusable off-line, but I hear there are alternatives (HERE Maps is a name I recall seeing on HN a few times).

maps.me?
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