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U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

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#101

I think doing this type of work, causing possible disruption in another countries infrastructure during peace time is ethically problematic. Much more problematic that the ethically dubious things alleged on FB and Google. I hope there is some outcry against doing this type of work.

It's a tit-for-tat response... until some treaty is signed which forbids it and then there is follow through from Russia. US plays hard ball if the other side is not playing fairly. You can hardly blame them.

The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement.

The irony of mentioning treaties too. That's some next level true believer stuff.

Would love to have a chat about:

* Chemical weapons convention

* Mine ban treaty

* Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court

* Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty

* Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty

* Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention

* Kyoto Protocol

* Reneging on the Iran deal and then forcing Europe to do the same despite US intel chiefs saying Iran they held up their end of the bargain.

* The half dozen worldwide commitments Trump has pulled out of in the last year, there's too many to count.

American foreign intel agencies have far more funding and skills than the next 10 largest countries combined. They do not play fair nor do they have to. Anyone claiming otherwise likely doesn't know much about it or wilfully ignores it out of nationalism.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tit-for-tat response... until some treaty is signed which forbids it and then there is follow through from Russia. US plays hard ball if the other side is not playing fairly. You can hardly blame them.

The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement. The irony of mentioning treaties too. That's some next level true believer stuff. Would love to have a chat about: * Chemical weapons convention * Mine ban treaty * Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court * Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty * Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty * Biological and Toxin Weapons Con…

> The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement.

If you consider how much power the U.S. has and how often it does not use that power to its fullest advantage, it's pretty remarkable how much it holds back.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tit-for-tat response... until some treaty is signed which forbids it and then there is follow through from Russia. US plays hard ball if the other side is not playing fairly. You can hardly blame them.

The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement. The irony of mentioning treaties too. That's some next level true believer stuff. Would love to have a chat about: * Chemical weapons convention * Mine ban treaty * Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court * Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty * Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty * Biological and Toxin Weapons Con…

I am a critic of the US but in this case it's not as if Russian hackers don't keep screwing with the US power grid.

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#105
post #45

Wonderful. What better way to drive home the message that the Russian government’s strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security.

>strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security How do those contribute to national security? "control over internet"/gfw aka censorship isn't going to prevent any cyberattacks.

It's more of a back up system (for now?) than anything, so when things go south for them they can rely on something else. Just like gps has many alternatives by other super powers, so when American military decided to turn it off, things would still work.

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#106

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11400653040196444... Trump just accused the NYT of treason for using the word ‘attack’

I don't understand if he is accusing them because he denies it, or is it because of wording/"for being anti-american"?

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#107
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every state "reserves the right" to do whatever they want, including things they have previously claimed they will not do. That is literally the definition of sovereignty.

Countries in Europe have given up some sovereignty to the EU. Example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Factortame_Ltd)_v_Secreta...

Yes, the legal framework is there, but it is up to the members to enforce it.

It's the classic: "What are you going to do, hit me?" response after hitting someone. Just be glad most countries maintain some semblance of civility.

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post #45

Wonderful. What better way to drive home the message that the Russian government’s strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security.

>strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security How do those contribute to national security? "control over internet"/gfw aka censorship isn't going to prevent any cyberattacks.

The same way that it helps prevent them in a corporate environment. I work for a security company and control over ingress and egress is absolutely a fundamental part of our network security.

Same as having a centralised firewall on a corporate ISP, having a firewall on a country level can prevent / monitor traffic to whole segments of IT infrastructure.

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