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Part of the problem I think is that these people don't actually comprehend what is happening and the possible consequences. To them it's just a magic black box.
Maybe I’m one of these people. What exactly are the consequences? So far, the most damaging consequence of overreaching customer privacy is the famous teenage pregnancy leak when Target sent out coupon mailers to expecting moms based on shopping history. That’s a really weirdly specific issue, and hard to imaging a similar scenario that would affect my life in some equally horrible way. Am I missing something? Why sh…
Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
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Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#182https://www.aerospike.com/blog/silverpush-unifies-people-dev...
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
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You're on HN and "What's the difference" is really your question? 1. Friendly private human interaction shared by two people. 2. Data is collected, sent, analyzed, sold, shared, distributed, stolen, and abused in order to maximize profit across expansive markets at the expense of any respect for the user's privacy. The user is tracked, distracted, and tricked into obeying algorithmic market forces of massive and opaq…
This just seems like such absurd hyperbole I can't tell if you are serious or not. "technology that effectively usurps the user's free will" "electronic prison" I don't believe any of this. Nobody can usurp my free will no matter how much data they have on me. Heck, even if I told them every last piece of private information I knew about me, I doubt they could increase my spending even 1% more than I currently am wit…
We have a global population that is addicted to their phones. A great deal of their worldview is shaped on a daily basis by a small illuminated screen that fits in the palm of the hand, full of deception and manipulation, which goes well beyond grocery shopping. The phone is an ideal espionage tool since, for most people, it is turned on and broadcasting constantly, and always at its user's side. I mentioned "electronic prison", scaling out from this, in the sense that law-abiding citizens are under constant surveillance, similar to inmates in a prison. We have the ability to move around of course, but we can hardly do so without being watched, which does not equate to actual freedom. The human experience is being overrun by addictive technology that manipulates our will through mechanisms that are totally unknown by the average user. It may seem like hyperbole because its full effects have not yet been understood. It's not like this is the end: this is just where we are today. The intrusion into our lives will only escalate.
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#184This is really big in the WiFi space. Aruba, Cisco, etc all market services to public places like malls where you throw in a huge public wifi network, and regardless of whether you connect or not, they can see phones looking for known network and track traffic patterns. Malls can then see which stores have highest foot traffic on what days, etc. It's actually one of the things that justifies the expense for huge, exp…
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#185The cynical part of me thinks this is the real reason to get rid of the headphone jack -- to make it inconvenient to turn off bluetooth.
i believe on iphones, the fake off-switch for bluetooth disconnects the devices you actually want connected (airpods, watch), while not being completely off for everything else, like beacons. instead, it should only maintain bluetooth connections to devices already connected (or better yet, trusted), while being invisible to everything else. i know with bluetooth this is technically difficult, if not impossible, but…
Anyone know? Occurs to me I could shut wifi fully off when leaving home, and turn bluetooth off with the toggle to still use my devices. Don’t know if that’s useful however.
Used to use airplane mode all the time, but modern convenience became too great.
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#186To me, this isn't big news -- It's at the point where I turn wifi and Bluetooth off when I'm shopping. Look at some of the filings by Kroger: https://fccid.io/PBR-SZG3APWC/Users-Manual/Manual-3994818 They are tracking down at the bay level for some items.
> I turn wifi and Bluetooth off You believe that makes a difference?
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
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Another personal workaround - which I just realized must exist and apparently does - is a Faraday phone case... https://silent-pocket.com/collections/all-products
Well that works if you use your phone as a PDA or a one-way communication device; but that's not the common usecase now is it?
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#188This is rage inducing. I went into this article thinking "ok as long as I don't have the Target or Ikea or whatever app installed on my phone, I'm fine." While that is a primary way, this needs to be outlawed: > These companies take their beacon tracking code and bundle it into a toolkit developers can use. The makers of many popular apps, such as those for news or weather updates, insert these toolkits into their ap…
I'm guessing this can be policed by a service allowing the user to see a map containing location detail & time accessed information per apps installed. Thus, showing the user which apps installed are signaling with bluetooth and when they're entering specific stores throughout the day.
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#189The really simple answer? Give up your smartphone. It's eating your life anyway, crossing boundaries with your family / work. You're addicted to checking: your downtime is zero, your free space to think: negligible. Mindfulness: none. Mindlessness: maximum. Just a thought.
I am tempted by this more and more. I'd be curious to hear from anyone who's tried it
You can always detox your phone though. Delete all your third party apps, stay off mobile web and it's a de facto dumb phone with a battery that lasts a day instead of a week like your old razr.
Re: Retail stores use Bluetooth beacons to track customers
#190I feel like I need a lot more clarification here, can anybody help out, whether on iOS or Android: 1) Some random third-party app has to be running on your phone to detect beacons and send the data back... how viable/likely is this actually? It seems like this would only ever effectively detect a tiny percentage of users at best who just happen to have one of the apps open while walking around a store? 2) For an app…
> Some random third-party app has to be running on your phone to detect beacons and send the data back They don't have to be running. Here's my understanding (for iOS anyway): 1. Apps have the ability to subscribe to bluetooth callbacks from the OS, which is constantly scanning for them (about once a second, from memory). It will be something like, "wake me up when you detect that beacon with UUID ABCD123 is in range…
It would be trivial to do this if you can get your hands on an iphone with a jailbreakable OS version.