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Post by stale2002 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #122
stale2002 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I've published it in any way then go ahead! Seriously. If I publish something, I want others to see it. I don't really care if people see it because it was "pirated".

If you publish a naked selfie to limited audience(your partner), you don't mind if anyone else sees it? And you want others to see it?

That's not publishing man.

It is quite obvious what I meant when I said publishing. Not really sure why you are acting in bad faith by purposefully misinterpreting what I said.

But to give a clear definition of what publishing means, that any non idiot, non bad faith actor would have already known, what I meant by publishing is when I take some media and put it in a place where any large amount of people could access it.

And if I publish something, then no, I have no problem with anyone accessing the information that I released for the purpose of a large amount of people to see.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #208
briandear wrote: post #195

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Successful bars don’t have slim margins. Restaurants often have slim margins because of food waste, but bars have pretty good margins. There is very good profit on drinks: a 750 bottle of Tito’s vodka costs about $18 wholesale, provides 16 shots, at $5 per shot, that’s $80. Then discount 20% for spillage, that’s $64. Bartenders in the US make tips, so the hourly cost to the bar is pretty minimal, but in Europe, every…

Since nobody spills 20% of every bottle of alcohol, is that 20% figure attributed to spillage intended to account for stronger pours and such?

Yeah, "and such" is often bartenders giving out free drinks

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by cf498 »

briandear wrote: post #191
pdimitar wrote: post #179

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What is so hard to get about it?

If a Mercedes costs too much, it’s ok to steal it? That’s what this attitude means. That it isn’t a physical good doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to produce and distribute it and the price of producing that product is set specifically to make the economics work for the producers. That the bar is making revenue specifically because of the content someone else is producing makes this theft even more unjustifiable. If s…

Theft is the wrong word, you are looking at copyright infringement. Not a moral judgment but simply the wrong term. There are no additional costs created at the producers site. The bars are having private licenses instead of those for public viewing. A missus of the GPL is also not theft but copyright infringement.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by ankit219 »

guiomie wrote: post #46
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

My key take away from your comment is F1 has non geo-fenced service. I just went on their website, and I'm blown away. You can select a cockpit to stream, you have a bunch of geeky data, all while you can watch the GP in it's traditional way. I might get back into F1 just for this.

It is not 100% non-geo blocked considering F1 had contracts for exclusive coverage from earlier. But, once those contracts end, it will be available everywhere. (as far as I know UK is one where its not available due to deal with SKY)

The streaming also has some technical issues as they vastly underestimated the demand and the server could not take the load. Latest occurrence was at Canadian GP. I am not praising the service in the current state, but I strongly feel that is the way forward for sports broadcast. I have been an early adopter, and like the options I am provided (along with the influx of data I get) when the traditional TV streaming felt constraining and powerless.

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Post by gnaritas »

briandear wrote: post #191
pdimitar wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is so hard to get about it?

If a Mercedes costs too much, it’s ok to steal it? That’s what this attitude means. That it isn’t a physical good doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to produce and distribute it and the price of producing that product is set specifically to make the economics work for the producers. That the bar is making revenue specifically because of the content someone else is producing makes this theft even more unjustifiable. If s…

> That it isn’t a physical good

Makes all the difference in the world; we don't all agree with the idea of intellectual property. Copying isn't theft.

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Post by petepete »

SomeOldThrow wrote: post #205
schnevets wrote: post #104

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Sports in bars is a very different experience with sound on vs. off. Without sound, it's a background distraction that a few folks may be interested in. With sound on (even if the commentary is indecipherable), it's a collective experience that holds everyone's attention. Usually the bar will mute or put on music during commercial breaks. I do wonder if alternative commentary would ever catch on. Imagine if instead o…

Honestly the best way to watch baseball at least is to mute the TV and turn on the radio—vastly higher quality commentary, and you can look up in time to see the play you just heard. The ads also tend to be more local and less obnoxious.

If you like your commentary to be totally out of sync with the picture, yes.

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Post by vibragiel »

anthk wrote: post #167
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

>(Spanish siesta is at 4PM) That's ridiculous.

As a 40 year old Spaniard, I have never heard of this 4 PM siesta time.

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Post by pushpop »

briandear wrote: post #191
pdimitar wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is so hard to get about it?

If a Mercedes costs too much, it’s ok to steal it? That’s what this attitude means. That it isn’t a physical good doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to produce and distribute it and the price of producing that product is set specifically to make the economics work for the producers. That the bar is making revenue specifically because of the content someone else is producing makes this theft even more unjustifiable. If s…

Mercedes don’t have a monopoly on car distribution. If people doesn’t like the price of Merc’s then there are dozens of other alternatives. If people don’t like the price of media content then there is no other (legal) alternatives.

This is also why broadcasters have gotten away without much innovation in the industry when compared to what’s happening in other equivalent sectors.

Edit: Or at least not much innovation outside of rights management. Ironically they’ve spent more time and energy innovating ways to stop people accessing content than ways of improving their respective services.

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Post by masklinn »

zamadatix wrote: post #100
jdietrich wrote: post #94

Sky Sports use a far simpler solution that doesn't violate anyone's privacy. The satellite feed that's licensed for public venues has a small beer glass logo burned in to the image. The amount of beer in the glass changes every day on a pseudorandom basis. An inspector can check whether a pub has the right license simply by looking at the screen - if the glass is missing or contains the wrong amount of beer, it's an…

This does nothing to prevent streaming the game it prevents bars from buying consumer service instead of business service.

Since pub streams are much more expensive and the pool is much smaller, you could probably tag each pub stream individually on the fly, with a visual representation of a (pubid, date) hash.

Pub streams are also probably harder to pirate. You might get a single stream license and use it in the 3 bars you own, but then the service provider would quickly wonder how comes you own 3 sports bars and have a single license.

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