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The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Tangential question for HN vegetarians: Would you eat lab-grown meat if it was affordable?

I'm mostly vegetarian - rare chicken consumption only. Last week my company cafeteria had beyond meat burgers as the vegetation option. From what I've read on HN they're reasonably close to the taste of meat, and similar in terms of texture.

I don't think I've missed out on anything by restricting myself to a vegetarian diet.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#92
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Here are the ingredients of a Beyond Burger from their website: > Water, Pea Protein Isolate*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Pomegranate Fruit Powder, Beet Juice Extract (for color) Here are ingredients of a r…

> In terms of nutrition rather than ethics it looks like an inferior substitute.

Most of the people eating this are already pretty frail. Sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

The human body is pretty resilient for most foods. While fortifying "ultra-processed" foods with simple sugars and hydrogenated fats have negative health effects, people have been consuming processed proteins for a while now without that much negativity. Problems arise when these faux meats are themselves over-fortified with simple sugars and trans fats, in order to mimic real meat. Then you're losing health benefits…

Does the current state of society not give you pause when you state that our bodies are so resilient to most foods? US obesity rates have nearly tripled in way less than a single generation, there are skyrocketing rates of mental illness, reduced academic achievement, and even evidence of a decline in IQ in developed nations.

I find it challenging to attribute this entirely to lifestyle changes and the internet. In the mean time we have been increasingly introducing manufactured substances and products into our food systems that fit the timeline extremely well. Of course perhaps one problem is that we've introduced so many things that it's become impossible to discern cause from effect. Because while I find it difficult to attribute all change to lifestyle changes, that's undoubtedly played and is playing some role.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the problem with carbohydrates? If it is the refined grain part in pasta and bread, then there are already solutions: whole wheat products. Who do you thing would go for the beyond wheat products?

Eating carbohydrates spikes your blood sugar and therefore insulin response, which has several problems: one, it makes you hungry again very quickly, and makes your energy levels spike and dip more than if you avoid them. Enough simple carbohydrates cause diabetes. It is also very easy to eat a large number of calories via carbohydrate. Essentially, carbs make you fat. I can personally observe in myself that if I eat…

This is very black and white and borderline incorrect. There's nothing inherently bad about carbohydrates. Eating anything will make you more fat; simple carbs are just easy to eat.

Unrefined carbs like in potatoes and (whole)wheat and oatmeal etc. are not bad; those foods provide many good nutrients and do not cause the negative carb effects you mentioned.

It's the same as fruits containing sugar (which is a carbohydrate actually I think) but not causing the same ill effects as eating the same amount of sugar from Sour Patch Kids (candy which is ~80% sugar by weight).

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

Sure, but I bet ultra-processed meat is worse than ultra-processed beans.

I think in this context you mean ultra-processed "meat".

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#96

Are there any private companies actually working on commercializing lab grown meat? Or is it still way too early for that? I'm much more bullish on lab grown meat - the company that can build that will be $100b+ company for sure.

Am an investor in both cell-cultured meat and plant-based meat. Personally I'm more bullish about plant-based meat, though cell-based is an important plan B

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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People who know that it is a myth that whole grains are healthy?

What is "healthy"? Whole grains provide me with carbs, carbs provide me with sugar, sugar is burnt for energy. Eat the amount you actually need and, unless you've got Celiac, you're gonna be fine. Some of you people sound like you should just become Breatharians instead of burdening the rest of us with your tiresome dietary restrictions. For those of us that can eat real food without it ruining our lives, you're like…

If you don't think "healthy" can be quantified and you're satisfied with your demonstrated level of ignorance about nutrition then why are you engaging in a discussion about nutrition on the Internet? I don't give a crap what you eat. I do somewhat object to people spreading misinformation about nutrition but I also recognize that trying to stop it is a King Canute level exercise in futility.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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post #93
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human body is pretty resilient for most foods. While fortifying "ultra-processed" foods with simple sugars and hydrogenated fats have negative health effects, people have been consuming processed proteins for a while now without that much negativity. Problems arise when these faux meats are themselves over-fortified with simple sugars and trans fats, in order to mimic real meat. Then you're losing health benefits…

Does the current state of society not give you pause when you state that our bodies are so resilient to most foods? US obesity rates have nearly tripled in way less than a single generation, there are skyrocketing rates of mental illness, reduced academic achievement, and even evidence of a decline in IQ in developed nations. I find it challenging to attribute this entirely to lifestyle changes and the internet. In t…

You're correct, but I feel like that's a huge question that may be partially answered by processed foods, but not fully.

For instance, work/life pressure results in stress, which could result in overeating which is easy to do given that not only is fast food more readily available than ever, but now so is restaurant quality foods though Uber. By ordering Uber at home you aren't going out, therefore you are being less social, which by being less social may lead to mental health issues. All the while not exercising and watching Netflix and sitting on social media looking at the lives of others.

Very out there example, but I think it's all intertwined

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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I can't wait to open a can of the Beyond Meat of the Chicken of the Sea

You can already buy vegan canned tuna at whole foods. Compared to the real thing I'd give it 6/10.

Was it the same fake tuna The Wolfe Pit reviewed?

https://youtu.be/pQtSgL6Wwbw

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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To me, seeing YuppieVCFoodStartup brand names in a restaurant is akin to the restaurant advertising they’re selling me Lays(tm) chips as the side to my burger. While I have no urge to eat food for its ability to imitate meat (so I’m not the target audience anyway), I think these products belong in a grocery or convenience store, not a dining establishment. It feels to me like paying a premium to eat frozen store-boug…

Nothing different than extolling that you're using Wagyu beef, or anything else where you're citing a specific supplier.
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