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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by danem »

kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

> a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand

Is it? Why would a smart businessman (the bar owner) pay more for a product when a cheaper alternative (pirating) exists?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by munk-a »

monksy wrote: post #129
munk-a wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that a business would need to pay a screening fee for showing the game - I'd assume that illegally in this case doesn't mean via bitorrent but instead means playing content from a residential cable subscription to an audience. I tend to side strongly with bars in most of these cases as broadcasters absolutely must be aware that bars frequently want to show sports games and they have failed…

HBO has gone after bars showing GOT as well. In Chicago, I've seen bars charge $30 a person for entry to see a PPV fight.

I, personally, have even less pity for HBO since, up here in Canada, you really have to pay serious cash to legally watch any exclusive shows - and two years ago you were just out of luck if you didn't have a cable package, unless you were getting your interwebs through Bell IIRC.

I feel no pity for content producers that disallow a reasonably priced (or any) access to their content and then cry foul at pirating. I similarly feel no pity for people who pirate old games that haven't been abandon-ware'd if they're available for a pittance on GOG. I value my time highly and trying to circumvent obstacles in my effort to give a content producer money is something I refuse to put any serious effort into.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by jgunsch »

fourmii wrote: post #135
xnyan wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s so much easier to stream the NBA finals from a pirate site than it is to pay - if there even is a way to pay. I’m looking at waiting 10 days for a cable installer and at least 50 a month plus multiple calls to setup and then cancel to watch the one event I want to watch via cable, or 2 clicks and an ad-free 1080p 60 fps stream on my browser. I’m not saying piracy is legal or moral, but the difference in cost ben…

Really, how about just signing up to the NBA League Pass? Sure it's expensive, but it doesn't need cable installation, just watch it from basically any internet accessible device.

NBA League Pass doesn't actually let you stream the playoffs (if you're in the USA), nor do you get to watch your local team. It's meant to be a supplement to a cable subscription, or a full subscription for international viewers.

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-NBA-League-Pass-offer-a-playo...

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by wjossey »

fourmii wrote: post #135
xnyan wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s so much easier to stream the NBA finals from a pirate site than it is to pay - if there even is a way to pay. I’m looking at waiting 10 days for a cable installer and at least 50 a month plus multiple calls to setup and then cancel to watch the one event I want to watch via cable, or 2 clicks and an ad-free 1080p 60 fps stream on my browser. I’m not saying piracy is legal or moral, but the difference in cost ben…

Really, how about just signing up to the NBA League Pass? Sure it's expensive, but it doesn't need cable installation, just watch it from basically any internet accessible device.

League pass does not apply to nationally broadcast games or games in your local market. I live in LA and root for the Celtics, and watch all the home broadcasts with their arena feed. If I lived in Boston it’s not an option and I have to have a cable subscription.

If the team is on a national broadcast, it is also blacked out.

That being said, I listen to the finals on the local radio broadcasts via the NBA app because those are never blacked out.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by sjwright »

danem wrote: post #141
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

> a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand Is it? Why would a smart businessman (the bar owner) pay more for a product when a cheaper alternative (pirating) exists?

For the same reason they don’t stock their bar with beer stolen from the brewery?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by batiudrami »

kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

I don't know about La Liga specifically but in general bars pay a much higher fee than end users to stream sports because it's such a big value-add for them. It's likely that these bars are streaming publicly on a user license, rather than using an illegal stream. The value proposition isn't necessarily that far out - just people want to pay less for things and will do if they can.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by ashtonian »

sjwright wrote: post #147
danem wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand Is it? Why would a smart businessman (the bar owner) pay more for a product when a cheaper alternative (pirating) exists?

For the same reason they don’t stock their bar with beer stolen from the brewery?

You can't steal information

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by rndgermandude »

airstrike wrote: post #41
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

Don't know about Spain in particular, but usually the fees in European countries are calculated for each individual bar, based on size and location. E.g. in Germany for a package of the top two major German leagues and UEFA (and some international ones), you can expect EUR 100-200 for tiny pubs in rural areas and small towns, EUR 500 for mid-sized bars and pubs in mid-sized cities, and up to EUR 2000 for big bars in big cities, per month.
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