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Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by airstrike »

ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds.

Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Scoundreller »

ankit219 wrote: post #32
mosselman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are `(250k/61m)` and `(250k/24m)`? 250.000 euros per 61 months? How can that be expressed in a fine? 250.000 * 61? I am confused, sorry.

61M is the yearly salary of Lionel Messi. The top earner in Spanish League. 24M is the annual revenue of the smallest spending team in Spanish League.

24m was the sum of the player salaries of the smallest spending team. If they’re not losing money, their revenue is higher than that.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by dagw »

bluedino wrote: post #17
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No bar is going to install a cell, gps or wifi jammer to avoid a small fine... as doing so would put them out of business. No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work.

What bar is going to be quiet enough for sound fingerprinting to work?

Since you know exactly what you are listening for I imagine you can handle quite a lot of noise in your signal. If you want to take it one step further I imagine you could create a special audio fingerprint that is easy to detect over the normal sort of background noise in a bar (which tends to be quite uniform) and broadcast that at regular intervals.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by sneakernets »

josecastillo wrote: post #22

This reminds me of a short story by Paul Ford from a few years back[1]: We had gone to a baseball game at the beginning of the season. They had played a song on the public address system, and she sang along without permission. They used to factor that into ticket price—they still do if you pay extra or have a season pass—but now other companies handled the followup. And here was the video from that day, one of many t…

I had written (in college) a small story about an "RIAA Task Force" collaborating with the FBI to raid small brick-and-mortar businesses with occupants above some fabled "listener limit" that dared to have an FM Radio or iPod connected to a boombox in the corner of the store somewhere. Everything from Barbershops to Butchershops were raided, and the small infringing devices confiscated.

Given that the RIAA tried to sue a grandmother once, This wasn't too far-fetched.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by hammock »

Tangentially related: there is a cool app called Tunity that "shazams" a muted TV, e.g. at a bar, finds the game and lets you play the audio from your phone - syncing it perfectly to the video picture that you shazamed. So you can sit at a bar or waiting room or somewhere with muted TVs, and listen to the audio of the game.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by guiomie »

ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

My key take away from your comment is F1 has non geo-fenced service. I just went on their website, and I'm blown away. You can select a cockpit to stream, you have a bunch of geeky data, all while you can watch the GP in it's traditional way. I might get back into F1 just for this.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by golem14 »

bluedino wrote: post #17
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No bar is going to install a cell, gps or wifi jammer to avoid a small fine... as doing so would put them out of business. No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work.

What bar is going to be quiet enough for sound fingerprinting to work?

If you have enough time for recording, I guess it doesn't matter. Also I suppose noise in bars is in a rather narrow band compared to the sound from the TVs. Haven't tried though, just my guess.

Of course bars could just stream without noise and just use closed caption ...

Interesting what would happen if patron a brings their phone and watches a match, and patron B next to her is picking up the noise and reporting the bar :)

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

airstrike wrote: post #41
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

$200 is not that far off from what an individual would pay. Surely the rebroadcast rights that a bar would need are much, much higher than that, no?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by MAGZine »

airstrike wrote: post #41
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

Illegal in this case may not mean streaming from some random website, it may mean buying a regular cable subscription and rebroadcasting it to your bar.

You need special permission (and may need to pay extra) to "perform," copyrighted works for a larger audience, in the same way you can play music over a speaker for yourself, but not for a large group of people.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by munk-a »

airstrike wrote: post #41
ankit219 wrote: post #28

One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as la…

> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

I was under the impression that a business would need to pay a screening fee for showing the game - I'd assume that illegally in this case doesn't mean via bitorrent but instead means playing content from a residential cable subscription to an audience.

I tend to side strongly with bars in most of these cases as broadcasters absolutely must be aware that bars frequently want to show sports games and they have failed to make licensing for this sort of showing reasonable from a logistical standpoint (sometimes wanting to charge a royalty based on how many distinct people watched any part of the game) that might actually be a reasonable fee in the end - but the cost of calculating the proper fee to pay outsizes the fee itself.

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