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So all they have to do is describe what it does and hope users don't uninstall it? seems lesser than getting removed from the app stores
This will lead to an arms race with deploying cellular, GPS and wifi jammers. You can order them online right now for low prices, at low power they are very unlikely to ever be investigated. https://www.jammer-store.com/gps-blockers-jammers/ Do note things like this are HIGHLY illegal, and carry pretty insane fines if you are caught.
No bar is going to install a cell, gps or wifi jammer to avoid a small fine... as doing so would put them out of business. No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work.
I don't think that's true - there's plenty of coffee shops/bars where my phone is totally dead as most of the walls in the city I live in are solid stone and at least a foot thick.
It's insane that they can get away with this with so little consequence.
edit: I misunderstood OP's comment; makes much more sense when I read it in the light suggested by anchpop below. ...that they can get away with copying a bytestream and decoding the result onto a screen? Which harms nobody? The insane part is that people, even on HN, have become convinced that someone can own knowledge to such exclusivity that copying bytes can be a crime.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
No bar is going to install a cell, gps or wifi jammer to avoid a small fine... as doing so would put them out of business. No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work.
> No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work. I don't think that's true - there's plenty of coffee shops/bars where my phone is totally dead as most of the walls in the city I live in are solid stone and at least a foot thick.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
edit: I misunderstood OP's comment; makes much more sense when I read it in the light suggested by anchpop below. ...that they can get away with copying a bytestream and decoding the result onto a screen? Which harms nobody? The insane part is that people, even on HN, have become convinced that someone can own knowledge to such exclusivity that copying bytes can be a crime.
So you wouldn't mind if I copied bytes of yours, such as private pictures, private documents, etc?
If you come into possession of them in the absence of some kind of contractual obligation regarding how you'll handle them (ie a privacy policy to which you and I have jointly agreed), then yes of course you can do what you wish with them.
Isn't this the same argument currently making its way through the public mindshare regarding WikiLeaks? Of course they had a right to distribute and comment on the contents of the State Dept. cables. The fact that the government claimed they were private (classified) can not overcome the basic thrust of freedoms of the press and speech.
This will lead to an arms race with deploying cellular, GPS and wifi jammers. You can order them online right now for low prices, at low power they are very unlikely to ever be investigated. https://www.jammer-store.com/gps-blockers-jammers/ Do note things like this are HIGHLY illegal, and carry pretty insane fines if you are caught.
No bar is going to install a cell, gps or wifi jammer to avoid a small fine... as doing so would put them out of business. No customer is going to hang out in a bar where their cell phone doesn't work.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you wouldn't mind if I copied bytes of yours, such as private pictures, private documents, etc?
Obviously it is my responsibility to keep those bytes away from you. If you come into possession of them in the absence of some kind of contractual obligation regarding how you'll handle them (ie a privacy policy to which you and I have jointly agreed), then yes of course you can do what you wish with them. Isn't this the same argument currently making its way through the public mindshare regarding WikiLeaks? Of cour…
Now I have root, and copy off all of your pictures and private data onto my device. Nothing wrong with that, just copying some bytes, right?
Finally, I have all of your data, no contractual obligations to you on how I use it. So I'll just copy some bytes over to Twitter or Instagram and publish your private photos to the world. That's all ok in your book, because all the time I'm just copying bytes?
Your point is so reductivist that it is absurd. It's like declaring that any human action is just wiggling of fingers or flapping of vocal chords, and what can be so bad with wiggling fingers or flapping vocal cords?
I’m really into the dark future of DRM enforcement drones flying around cities listening for illegal streaming.
> Spanish data protection agency claims that the app didn’t make [the use of the microphone permission] clear, and has ordered LaLiga to take down the app by June 30th So all they have to do is describe what it does and hope users don't uninstall it? seems lesser than getting removed from the app stores