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Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Swizec »

akchin wrote: post #116
Swizec wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently got back into F1. The viewing experience is amazing, so much better than what I remember from youth. Even if I do miss my favorite commentator. And I love that I can watch the replay at my leisure on any device. That is amazing. However ... would it kill them to remember where I stopped watching and continue the replay from there? I don’t always (ie never) have the patience to sit through a 2 hour race

Is the commentator Murray Walker by any chance :-)

Slovenian commentator in Slovenia. Did every race for some 20 years.

He truly is F1 to me. The experience just isn’t the same without him :D

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Post by oh_sigh »

stale2002 wrote: post #103
oh_sigh wrote: post #13

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So you wouldn't mind if I copied bytes of yours, such as private pictures, private documents, etc?

If I've published it in any way then go ahead! Seriously. If I publish something, I want others to see it. I don't really care if people see it because it was "pirated".

If you publish a naked selfie to limited audience(your partner), you don't mind if anyone else sees it? And you want others to see it?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by akchin »

Swizec wrote: post #121
akchin wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the commentator Murray Walker by any chance :-)

Slovenian commentator in Slovenia. Did every race for some 20 years. He truly is F1 to me. The experience just isn’t the same without him :D

Wow, that is cool to hear. We used to get the British coverage, so grew up with Murray Walker.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by kelnos »

oh_sigh wrote: post #18
jMyles wrote: post #16

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Obviously it is my responsibility to keep those bytes away from you. If you come into possession of them in the absence of some kind of contractual obligation regarding how you'll handle them (ie a privacy policy to which you and I have jointly agreed), then yes of course you can do what you wish with them. Isn't this the same argument currently making its way through the public mindshare regarding WikiLeaks? Of cour…

Ok, so you're walking down the street with a locked phone in your pocket. I send an Android Bluetooth 0-day payload to your phone. Nothing wrong with that, after all I'm just asking your phone if it wants to copy some bytes, and it says 'sure!'. Not my problem if your phone does something funky with those bytes. Now I have root, and copy off all of your pictures and private data onto my device. Nothing wrong with tha…

The crime here, in my mind, wasn't posting bytes on a website, but was breaking into someone's phone. Which is already illegal.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by orf »

jdietrich wrote: post #107
orf wrote: post #99

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But what if you are pirating a legal stream? Does the beer glass change per subscriber? And then surely they would know by just asking “does this pub, at this address, have a sky sports subscription?” Seems simpler? Also, side note, I’ve never seen the glass anything other than full.

>But what if you are pirating a legal stream? The glass only appears on the (vastly more expensive) pub licensed feed, not on the consumer feed. The higher cost and much smaller pool of licensed customers reduces the likelihood of someone pirating the feed and vastly simplifies the process of identifying the leak. A pirate could burn in the right logo to a standard consumer feed, but they'd need daily information fro…

That makes sense, thanks! But I can't help but ask again: why would a simple lookup of address -> registration work here? Why would you need a vast array of subtler, hidden data in the feeds?

If you're playing live sports in The Temeraire, and The Temeraire doesn't have a license, then boom. You're knicked. Pubs are licensed and not readily movable things owned by specific (and licensed) people. Walk in the door, if they are playing sports and this pub is not registered then you know right away. You'd in fact only target pubs that dont have a license. No need for any steganography.

Of course you might want it if someone is streaming this sports feed from a pub licensed feed to the internet, but then why have the global changing beer glass?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

kristofferR wrote: post #118
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #37

It's possible for bars to mute audio and turn on subtitles.

It is also possible for bars to not serve alcohol. What's your point?

The point being, a "Shazam-like" detection strategy would not work in that setting.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by slang800 »

Here's the original article, which goes into much greater detail than the summary on the Verge: https://www.eldiario.es/tecnologia/Liga-Futbol-microfono-tel...

Sadly neither article investigates how effective this technology was, or how many bars actually got caught as a result of the malware in this app.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by monksy »

munk-a wrote: post #50
airstrike wrote: post #41

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> But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. Somehow I find it hard to believe a business can't afford cable. Even if it costs $200 / month, surely they ought to be able to cover that.

I was under the impression that a business would need to pay a screening fee for showing the game - I'd assume that illegally in this case doesn't mean via bitorrent but instead means playing content from a residential cable subscription to an audience. I tend to side strongly with bars in most of these cases as broadcasters absolutely must be aware that bars frequently want to show sports games and they have failed…

HBO has gone after bars showing GOT as well.

In Chicago, I've seen bars charge $30 a person for entry to see a PPV fight.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by egd »

Someone I met tried to figure out how to actually legally stream the NBA playoffs recently - apparently there's basically no way to do so without an existing cable subscription or without paying for the entire season. I'm guessing the licensing structure around all of that would make the US tax code look readable, but the result is that it's effectively impossible to decide you want to watch a specific game on a computer and give someone money to do so on a one-off basis.
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