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Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by enumjorge » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

camjohnson26 wrote: post #18

Honestly I don’t see the problem, Facebook’s privacy stance has been well known for years. I don’t use their product much because of this, but friends and family couldn’t care less. Their response is that they don’t care if someone reads their messages or tailors ads to them and no matter how hard I try it won’t change their minds. If you don’t like their privacy stance just don’t use the product, it’s not like there…

The problem is that their indifference to how their data is used is starting to affect all of us. As evidenced by the Cambridge Analytica scandal, it’s not just advertisers tailoring ads to you. You now have shady organizations trying alter elections and pushing propaganda into users.

If this leads to voters developing bizarre views of the world that influence who they vote for, then their carelessness becomes our problem.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #17

Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent. We c…

> We must go further and outlaw this business model

Laws work best when they outlaw the harm, not the method. Strengthening privacy rights and pursuing antitrust action around that [1] will deter similar business models in the future. If Zuckerberg willfully violated the FTC consent decree, there are ways to make him pay that discincentivise similar behavior in future.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/opinion/privacy-antitrust...

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by rock_hard » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

hanniabu wrote: post #53

elorant wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the top two things I consider utterly invasive. 1) shadow profiles. Facebook has profiles for everyone, regardless if they have a profile on the social network or not. You many have never visited Facebook and still they collect info on you based on a variety of identifiable information they can find online. 2) forbid ad targeting by e-mail or phone number. This allows everyone who knows my e-mail or my mobil…

Didn't know about these shadow profiles, that's pretty interesting. Does anybody have an informative link handy to read more about this?

The existence of shadow profiles are pure speculation born out of the idea that just because FB can it will keep every bit of data.

When in reality FB just like any other well company has only stores what it needs as long as it needs to provide the services they do.

On that note I might add that most data (if it wasn’t to begin with) becomes meaningless after a few days

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by anoncake » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:12 PM UTC

vijaybritto wrote: post #2

Honestly is anyone surprised by this? He controls everything and how will he not know their own policies?! Facebook needs a serious lesson from the regulators.

Even if he didn't: He's the boss so he's responsible.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by smuemd » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:13 PM UTC

starbugs wrote: post #76

tehjoker wrote: post #17

Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent. We c…

It seems rather hard to find a legal way to outlaw the business model. I wonder whether there's a way to make spying so unprofitable that the business model simply isn't attractive anymore? Legislation that would force businesses to pay for collecting user data (maybe a tax on user data) might be a start, but I don't see how something like that could be implemented successfully.

FB is planetary scale psychoactive technology. Just make it a public health issue.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by cameronbrown » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

bongobongo wrote: post #67

tehjoker wrote: post #17

Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent. We c…

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by malloreon » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

Stop taking away personal responsibility from the thousands of facebook employees, each of whom chooses to be evil every single day.

None of these people are being forced to work there. They choose to. They are just as responsible.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by ImprovedSilence » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #72

a13n wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mark owns less than 30% of Facebook.

If you count by shares, yes. But his stock gets more votes, so he owns 60% of the votes.

Just to be a pedantic asshole, but I’m pretty sure he only owns 53% of voting shares.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by peteretep » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:24 PM UTC

mrnobody_67 wrote: post #54

He also openly ignores requests to testify in front of UK & Canadian parliamentary committees... Think about that for a minute. Someone who controls 3b people. Runs psychological experiments using AI. Bans accounts of people who violate corporate-created policies that weren't debated or voted on by the public. Violates FCC settlements. And then refuses to be held accountable - or answer questions- from first world, d…

> Someone who controls 3b people

This bullshit hyperbole helps nobody

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by tehjoker » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:27 PM UTC

cameronbrown wrote: post #86

bongobongo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.

"Facebook Is Looking for Employees With National Security Clearances" "October 16, 2017, 4:00 AM EDT Updated on October 16, 2017, 12:23 PM EDT"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/facebook-...