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HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by darkpuma »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #64
darkpuma wrote: post #61

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> "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment" If that bothers you, then HN is not the site for you. Downvotes for disagreeing has received the thumb of approval from PG[0]. Upvotes are for agree and downvotes are for disagree. On reddit people like to pretend otherwise (even though it's true in practice there as well), but here on HN there are no bones about it. [0] one example: https://news.yco…

Hence the groupthink we see all the time... Not least on such a topic which is 'owned' by extremists who will not tolerate even a shred of non-conformity. It's hypocrisy when mods say otherwise.

I'm not saying it's a great system that never goes wrong, but with the seal of approval from PG you're swimming against the tide if you're trying to change how people vote on HN.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

marcinzm wrote: post #62
luckylion wrote: post #46

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> 1. Which part of the discussion were not mature? For my personal taste: the "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment instead of replying with an argument" part that many users engage in. I see two explanations: infantile "NO NO NO" and malicious "if I downvote this, it will be buried and fewer others will see it". Given the design of the voting and flagging system and the fact that it's not…

The third option is always "I consider this post's argument so stupid it's not worth my time replying to as it shows the poster is incapable of intelligent discussion on this issue." My response to the poster explains why in my opinion these comments fall into this category.

Do you really, seriously think that posting such a comment full of gratuitous insults when you have your professional website in your bio is a good idea?

Because if we're on the topic of stupidity... Projecting such an unprofessional, rude, and aggressive behaviour so casually is quite something.

This is shocking.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by luckylion »

marcinzm wrote: post #62
luckylion wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Which part of the discussion were not mature? For my personal taste: the "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment instead of replying with an argument" part that many users engage in. I see two explanations: infantile "NO NO NO" and malicious "if I downvote this, it will be buried and fewer others will see it". Given the design of the voting and flagging system and the fact that it's not…

The third option is always "I consider this post's argument so stupid it's not worth my time replying to as it shows the poster is incapable of intelligent discussion on this issue." My response to the poster explains why in my opinion these comments fall into this category.

Possible, but I do personally rule that out, as the downvotes are very selective.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by marcinzm »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #72
marcinzm wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The third option is always "I consider this post's argument so stupid it's not worth my time replying to as it shows the poster is incapable of intelligent discussion on this issue." My response to the poster explains why in my opinion these comments fall into this category.

Do you really, seriously think that posting such a comment full of gratuitous insults when you have your professional website in your bio is a good idea? Because if we're on the topic of stupidity... Projecting such an unprofessional, rude, and aggressive behaviour so casually is quite something. This is shocking.

I should care why exactly? Do you plan to stalk me? Email my boss that I insulted someone online?

If you care so much about a silly internet argument then I honestly feel sad for you.

edit: Since you decided to edit your comment, I'll add that this isn't a professional venue. If people don't understand the distinction between professional and casual environments (or that people have different ways of acting based on situation) then I'm glad they don't want to associate with me as a result.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by jbay808 »

egao1980 wrote: post #39
naringas wrote: post #25

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the USA ("Western") system has to at least fabricate some charges or destroy the target's reputation. the PRC doesn't seem to have such 'cumbersome' restrictions.

Tell that to the guys in Gitmo. Though they might be not nice and totally guilty nobody bothered to formally charge them.

This is a very good point, and it's part of the reason that much of the western world abhors the US' practices in Guantanamo Bay, and criticizes them for it. It's a black mark on the USA's reputation.

You probably won't find a large audience here that defends gitmo though (probably). I expect most of us would agree about this.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by luckylion »

darkpuma wrote: post #61
luckylion wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Which part of the discussion were not mature? For my personal taste: the "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment instead of replying with an argument" part that many users engage in. I see two explanations: infantile "NO NO NO" and malicious "if I downvote this, it will be buried and fewer others will see it". Given the design of the voting and flagging system and the fact that it's not…

> "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment" If that bothers you, then HN is not the site for you. Downvotes for disagreeing has received the thumb of approval from PG[0]. Upvotes are for agree and downvotes are for disagree. On reddit people like to pretend otherwise (even though it's true in practice there as well), but here on HN there are no bones about it. [0] one example: https://news.yco…

Thanks, that explains it, I suppose.

I try not to let myself be bothered by hyper-tribalism too much, but it does put the good parts in perspective for me.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by ksec »

luckylion wrote: post #46
ksec wrote: post #11

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1. Which part of the discussion were not mature? 2. The situation is not loophole left by the British. But it was specifically left in place so the one country two system would work for the next ( then ) 50 years. To guarantee the certain freedom of the Hong Kong people which was clearly listed out in the Sino-British Joint Declaration. 3. It is not a Riot . ( I am sorry but that has to be one of the most insulting t…

> 1. Which part of the discussion were not mature? For my personal taste: the "I don't agree with this opinion so I will downvote this comment instead of replying with an argument" part that many users engage in. I see two explanations: infantile "NO NO NO" and malicious "if I downvote this, it will be buried and fewer others will see it". Given the design of the voting and flagging system and the fact that it's not…

It is not about disagreeing per se, it is just plain wrong.

2 + 2 will never be 22, doesn't matter how you spin it. ( Edit, Ok may be in Javascript )

He made a statement, about not being able to put trial in the same country, I also made a statement about it is a future not a bug. And the reply I got was discussion were not mature.

Had the first sentence been a question as to why, you cant have the trial inside the own country, I would have replied about one country two system. But since he made a statement, I presume he does understand the topic on a certain level. May be that was my wrong assumption.

( Not to mention the article linked explains the fear of doing so )

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by ksec »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #4
ksec wrote: post #3

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It is a feature, not a bug. Someone has the great insight to foresee what could happen 30 years ago.

I thought we could have mature discussions on HN. I was wrong. The current situation made some sense when HK was a colony of the British: The Brits made the law and did not cooperate too much with "the reds". But now, as someone looking at it from abroad, it makes no sense at all. This is not about "foresight" or anything like that. It does not help someone's cause to downvote comments and to refuse to discuss on fac…

>The point is that it makes no sense to have extradition treaties with, say, the US but not with mainland China for a Chinese territory.

It also make no sense for Hong Kong to have its own currency, HKD, pegged to USD. Along with its own laws and system. Even driving is on the "wrong" side of the road as one might say. And it is everything about the One Country Two System which is promised and now trying to be broken. You might have a point if this was happening in 2046.

>The insults and the fact that people now track my comments history to downvote all of them on random topics prove my preceding point about "red guards"... Disgraceful tactics.

HN can downvote comment that is well pass a few hours. You can only upvote pass comments. And since most of your recent comment are about the same topic, may be they just happen to disagree with you.

Re: HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by Spare_account »

marcinzm wrote: post #74
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really, seriously think that posting such a comment full of gratuitous insults when you have your professional website in your bio is a good idea? Because if we're on the topic of stupidity... Projecting such an unprofessional, rude, and aggressive behaviour so casually is quite something. This is shocking.

I should care why exactly? Do you plan to stalk me? Email my boss that I insulted someone online? If you care so much about a silly internet argument then I honestly feel sad for you. edit: Since you decided to edit your comment, I'll add that this isn't a professional venue. If people don't understand the distinction between professional and casual environments (or that people have different ways of acting based on…

You're feeding a troll. It would have been better to walk away a few comments ago.
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