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HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”

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Post by ksec »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #4
ksec wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a feature, not a bug. Someone has the great insight to foresee what could happen 30 years ago.

I thought we could have mature discussions on HN. I was wrong. The current situation made some sense when HK was a colony of the British: The Brits made the law and did not cooperate too much with "the reds". But now, as someone looking at it from abroad, it makes no sense at all. This is not about "foresight" or anything like that. It does not help someone's cause to downvote comments and to refuse to discuss on fac…

1. Which part of the discussion were not mature?

2. The situation is not loophole left by the British. But it was specifically left in place so the one country two system would work for the next ( then ) 50 years. To guarantee the certain freedom of the Hong Kong people which was clearly listed out in the Sino-British Joint Declaration.

3. It is not a Riot. ( I am sorry but that has to be one of the most insulting thing ever said ) No one started a Riot, What was once, one of the most peaceful protest. by 1M people, was fired with Rubber Bullet and Later Metal Bullet to eyes and head shot ( Both in ER ), Along with Tear Gas with NO Prior warning, Against a group of people with bare hands and no weapon.

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Post by wiggler00m »

I asked a Hong Kong lawyer this week about the proposed extradition law. In particular, of the following, who would it apply to:

a) Chinese nationals; b) HK nationals; c) foreign nationals.

He advised it would apply to all three.

Edit: he also said it's not impossible the bill will be withdrawn.

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Post by re-actor »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #7

For all the vaunted talk about how the CCP plans in terms of centuries and how they are so much more far sighted than western politicians, the continual abuse of Hong Kong's special status seems extremely short sighted, because it is going to make peaceful re-unification of Taiwan completely impossible.

I don't think CCP has put on any pretence about desiring peaceful re-unification.

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Post by ngcc_hk »

sarcasmOrTears wrote: post #10
DocTomoe wrote: post #5

Meanwhile, there is that Chinese Huawei Executive who is being held hostage in Canada as a trading chip in a trade war, waiting for her extradition to the US on the invented charges of having had traded with Iran (which is completely legal in China). If anything, I'd say it is a wonder that China has not started taking US Americans and Canadians hostage for the crime of being US American and/or Canadian.

They redone a trial for a canadian and gave him the death penalty, I said that's quite the retaliation for the whole huawei thing.

May not be enough. But there are ten of thousands of potential hostage.

Real the statement by American congress majority leader about the case.

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Post by duxup »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #7

For all the vaunted talk about how the CCP plans in terms of centuries and how they are so much more far sighted than western politicians, the continual abuse of Hong Kong's special status seems extremely short sighted, because it is going to make peaceful re-unification of Taiwan completely impossible.

There might be two things at play, the first described in the article that this is really a ploy to get "countries that have extradition treaties with Hong Kong to either renegotiate them successfully " possibly in favour of China.

Also Hong Kong's status might just be a constant question that if Hong Kong is part of China but has some local autonomy....why can't other parts of China? Especially if there was an economic crisis and Hong Kong faired better...

Easing them in might be secondary to domestic concerns.

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Post by some_random »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #9
i_am_nomad wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has done precisely that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/canadians-deta...

Somewhat tangential: Do you think there are no spies operating in China whom are known to the current government? Why would China choose some random Westerners over known intel assets while knowing full well the case will appear so prominently on the world stage? Tourism makes up 10% of their economy. Nations tolerate this stuff and are well aware of who is who, it's how it is. Kicking out a known operative means ano…

They just execute the spies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...

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Post by nicolas_t »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #7

For all the vaunted talk about how the CCP plans in terms of centuries and how they are so much more far sighted than western politicians, the continual abuse of Hong Kong's special status seems extremely short sighted, because it is going to make peaceful re-unification of Taiwan completely impossible.

CCP planned in term of decades and were more far sighted than western politicians. This changed with the rise of Xi Jing Ping who is a short sighted petty autocrat but unfortunately extremely good at political maneuvering to concentrate power in his hands and undoing what little checks were instituted by Deng Xiaoping.

I had high hopes for China's future back when I lived there but that is no longer the case with the current government.

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Post by tialaramex »

mitfahrener wrote: post #16

HK is part of China. How do you send someone from China to China.

One country. Two systems.

The _system_ in Hong Kong is very different.

It isn't uncommon to have such internal differences. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is likewise a single sovereign entity, often abbreviated as just "the UK" but for example abortion is _a crime_ in Northern Ireland, whereas it's offered as a normal part of the NHS on the mainland. Likewise Scotland has separate laws even though there's no discernible border, no more than a small street sign saying "You are now entering Scotland".

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