HK's extradition law: Not just HK people have reason to fear Chinese “justice”
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#2Whatever we think of the mainland Chinese justice system, and there is indeed a lot to be said about it, the current situation is rather strange.
Indeed, it seems quite extraordinary that someone could not be sent from one territory of the PRC to another one to face trial.
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#3Whatever we think of the mainland Chinese justice system, and there is indeed a lot to be said about it, the current situation is rather strange. Indeed, it seems quite extraordinary that someone could not be sent from one territory of the PRC to another one to face trial.
It is a feature, not a bug.
Someone has the great insight to foresee what could happen 30 years ago.
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#4Whatever we think of the mainland Chinese justice system, and there is indeed a lot to be said about it, the current situation is rather strange. Indeed, it seems quite extraordinary that someone could not be sent from one territory of the PRC to another one to face trial.
It is a feature, not a bug. Someone has the great insight to foresee what could happen 30 years ago.
I thought we could have mature discussions on HN. I was wrong.
The current situation made some sense when HK was a colony of the British: The Brits made the law and did not cooperate too much with "the reds".
But now, as someone looking at it from abroad, it makes no sense at all.
This is not about "foresight" or anything like that. It does not help someone's cause to downvote comments and to refuse to discuss on facts, and to riot. In fact it make people look like "red guards".
Edit: This has nothing to do with "one country, two systems". The principle is respected here with HK having to pass specific legislation according to its own legal system in order to allow extradition to mainland China. The point is that it makes no sense to have extradition treaties with, say, the US but not with mainland China for a Chinese territory.
The insults and the fact that people now track my comments history to downvote all of them on random topics prove my preceding point about "red guards"... Disgraceful tactics.
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#5Meanwhile, there is that Chinese Huawei Executive who is being held hostage in Canada as a trading chip in a trade war, waiting for her extradition to the US on the invented charges of having had traded with Iran (which is completely legal in China).
If anything, I'd say it is a wonder that China has not started taking US Americans and Canadians hostage for the crime of being US American and/or Canadian.
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#6Meanwhile, there is that Chinese Huawei Executive who is being held hostage in Canada as a trading chip in a trade war, waiting for her extradition to the US on the invented charges of having had traded with Iran (which is completely legal in China). If anything, I'd say it is a wonder that China has not started taking US Americans and Canadians hostage for the crime of being US American and/or Canadian.
China has done precisely that:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/canadians-deta...
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#7For all the vaunted talk about how the CCP plans in terms of centuries and how they are so much more far sighted than western politicians, the continual abuse of Hong Kong's special status seems extremely short sighted, because it is going to make peaceful re-unification of Taiwan completely impossible.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a feature, not a bug. Someone has the great insight to foresee what could happen 30 years ago.
I thought we could have mature discussions on HN. I was wrong. The current situation made some sense when HK was a colony of the British: The Brits made the law and did not cooperate too much with "the reds". But now, as someone looking at it from abroad, it makes no sense at all. This is not about "foresight" or anything like that. It does not help someone's cause to downvote comments and to refuse to discuss on fac…
Hong Kong rejoined China under specific agreements. Those agreements were in place because the people of Hong Kong did not want to becomes just another piece of China. As such they retained high levels of legal, government and economic autonomy. Colloquially it's known as "one country, two systems."
So, yes, someone probably foresaw this issue and didn't want Hong Kong to become a puppet of China used as a giant fly swatter after re-unification.
You're probably being down voted due to the utter lack of history and context (ie: lack of basic research) you're showing which generally makes intelligent discussions pointless.
edit: A example of similar systems in the west are native reservations which enjoy varying levels of autonomy despite being part of the country they're located in.
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#9Meanwhile, there is that Chinese Huawei Executive who is being held hostage in Canada as a trading chip in a trade war, waiting for her extradition to the US on the invented charges of having had traded with Iran (which is completely legal in China). If anything, I'd say it is a wonder that China has not started taking US Americans and Canadians hostage for the crime of being US American and/or Canadian.
China has done precisely that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/canadians-deta...
Somewhat tangential: Do you think there are no spies operating in China whom are known to the current government? Why would China choose some random Westerners over known intel assets while knowing full well the case will appear so prominently on the world stage? Tourism makes up 10% of their economy.
Nations tolerate this stuff and are well aware of who is who, it's how it is. Kicking out a known operative means another unknown will replace them. Better the enemy you know and such. There's a recent video from the CIA on the lengths they go to disguise embassy-tasked folk and how they get them out into the _world_.
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#10Meanwhile, there is that Chinese Huawei Executive who is being held hostage in Canada as a trading chip in a trade war, waiting for her extradition to the US on the invented charges of having had traded with Iran (which is completely legal in China). If anything, I'd say it is a wonder that China has not started taking US Americans and Canadians hostage for the crime of being US American and/or Canadian.
They redone a trial for a canadian and gave him the death penalty, I said that's quite the retaliation for the whole huawei thing.